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Fiery Red Head
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PostPosted: 15:03 - 08 Dec 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not me , Mcjam wants to raise sum points here :

* jimbo: a 2002 nsr is far from a "rat bike". A rat bike is a ten year old pile of crap thats been brush painted black.

* Insurance: 400 / 600 insurance aint that different and restriction does bugger all for insurance !

As for me , i'm just a humble secretary to Jam!!!
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TiN
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PostPosted: 16:06 - 08 Dec 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest, anything that does 70-80mph is technically "fast enough"...and bigger (i.e. faster) bikes aren't only about high insurance premiums...there's the poor fuel economy (scoff if you wish, but it all adds up), servicing & maintenence, tyres, tax etc. If you can't afford the insurance, then you might struggle with paying the bills for that stuff.

And if you bin the bike (slow or high speed), then you'll most certainly face a bigger bill for a faired sports bike than you would a naked 4/5/600.

Just some thoughts...
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Ste
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PostPosted: 16:15 - 08 Dec 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

TiN wrote:
To be honest, anything that does 70-80mph is technically "fast enough"...and bigger (i.e. faster) bikes aren't only about high insurance premiums...there's the poor fuel economy (scoff if you wish, but it all adds up), servicing & maintenence, tyres, tax etc. If you can't afford the insurance, then you might struggle with paying the bills for that stuff.

And if you bin the bike (slow or high speed), then you'll most certainly face a bigger bill for a faired sports bike than you would a naked 4/5/600.

Just some thoughts...


70-80mph is technically fast enough, so why isnt everyone on NSR's Razz

Yeah, I know about costs, and these will go up with the size of the bike Sad

Binning the bike at any speed will damage any bike. Fairing is expensive, but adds to speed, and less wind Smile
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TiN
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PostPosted: 16:19 - 08 Dec 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

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70-80mph is technically fast enough, so why isnt everyone on NSR's Razz


Well, my NSR was unreliable and made a horrible noise Razz...all the characteristics of a smoker, which is one of the main reasons why I got an RVF so soon.
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G
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PostPosted: 16:34 - 08 Dec 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Binning the bike at any speed will damage any bike. Fairing is expensive, but adds to speed, and less wind Smile

An unfaired bike with crashbungs will probably come out of lowspeed lowsides with little on no damage. While just dropping a faired bike at a standstill can cause hundreds of pounds worth of damage Sad
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PostPosted: 17:05 - 08 Dec 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

exactly- I slid my planet the other week and its gonna cost barely anything to fix (the problem is just getting the parts Evil or Very Mad ). If it had a fairing it would have been completely wrecked. Thats one of the reasons unfaired bikes cost less to insure.
Does anyone know what insurance group a hornet 600 is in?
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Ste
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PostPosted: 17:14 - 08 Dec 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keen wrote:
exactly- I slid my planet the other week and its gonna cost barely anything to fix (the problem is just getting the parts Evil or Very Mad ). If it had a fairing it would have been completely wrecked. Thats one of the reasons unfaired bikes cost less to insure.


Surely it only makes any difference if you are getting full comp?
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Keen
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PostPosted: 17:30 - 08 Dec 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll have to admit that I don't know the ins and outs of the insurance system- but faired bikes are normally in higher insurance groups. Look at the SV650- the faired version is a group higher. So even if your only getting TPFT your paying more.
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Scotty
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PostPosted: 18:19 - 08 Dec 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stephen wrote:
Surely it only makes any difference if you are getting full comp?


No, it effected me and i'm on TPO.
Its croped up before and G has said.
I saved about £120 just becasue it hasnt got a front fairing... strange i know but hey, that extra money can be spent on other things... like beer and indicators.
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Ste
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PostPosted: 18:24 - 08 Dec 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

I *think* its done on the percentage/ proberbility of it being crashed.

Faired bikes (generally) are faster, more appealing, but crashed more. therefore higher insurance Sad
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PostPosted: 20:19 - 08 Dec 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

We've also got to look at the power. There's not gonna be too much difference in insurance between a faired and un-faired 600 pulling 100BHP. Just that most of the un-faired bikes out there dont come stock with the same power as their faired brethren. SV650 only being around 70hp.
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Keen
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 08 Dec 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

but still my point is if you are going for just TPO or TPFT you have to consider that a minor crash on a faired bike could cause a few hundred quid's damage, whereas an unfaired bike could come out unscatched. That is a factor for me.
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 08 Dec 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

I def agree there. Just bung a faired bike up to buggery and pray for grippy roads. I couldn't bring myself to ride without a fairing though, it's just not right Wink
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Keen
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PostPosted: 20:44 - 08 Dec 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd like to try a faired bike sometime- its gotta be nice having the wind kept off you. It sounds daft but I've never been on a bike with a fairing- I'll have to get my uncle to give me a go on his FZR600.
I love the looks of unfaired bikes though- real motorcycles Cool Razz
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Bendy
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PostPosted: 20:58 - 08 Dec 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

A fairing *can* keep a hell of a lot of wind off - the difference between motorway bashing on the Ceeb with no fairing and now with a fairing is immense. With the fairing, I can sit at 90 feeling the same wind as sitting at about 65 without it. And the trip to G's on a fecking cold day in December left me feeling considerably less cold than the same trip on a warmer day with no fairing.

That said - mine's a pretty hefty fairing. Goose was with me yesterday and he was cold cos his fairing's not got much to hide behind.

So, another consideration on the faired/unfaired debate is what you'll actually be doing with the bike. If you're out playing on the twisties, no fairing is no issue. But if you're looking at motorway bashing, particularly in cruddy weather, they're nice to have.

Here's another thought... unfaired bikes FEEL faster than faired ones do. Guess it depends if you're into the number or just the feel. Being able to feel like you're really hauling ass and actually not being that far over the speed limit's actually a good thing in my book.
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PostPosted: 21:08 - 08 Dec 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah but your books out of print Razz
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PostPosted: 21:38 - 08 Dec 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

say that again when you get 3 points and a fine Razz
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