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killa
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PostPosted: 09:09 - 20 Jul 2005    Post subject: Ducati Reply with quote

Can someone please tell me what it is like to own a Ducatti and what is the owners and everyone else’s view on the reliability and costs of one.
I might be interested in one, if I do buy one I will be riding it all year round like I have with my others, so how will it cope with our changes in weather all the time.
Not sure if it matters but I will be interested in a 900SS or a 748.

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PostPosted: 09:18 - 20 Jul 2005    Post subject: Re: Ducatti Reply with quote

Dare I say it, I do actually quite like the 748 as a 600 alternative for the road.

No way I'd ever want to pay the extra £k or two above the price of a probably faster 600 though.
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PostPosted: 09:44 - 20 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never owned one - but I love them!!! I always have loved twins. Wink

I say go for it and worry about it when it happens! Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:48 - 20 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

chinupkneedown wrote:
I say go for it and worry about it when it happens! Laughing


I knew you were trouble when you joined Wink Thumbs Up

Anyone else have some info on them.
You can pick up a decent 748 for less than 4K so i dont think it's all that expensive.
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PostPosted: 09:48 - 20 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing Laughing Laughing

Me??? Wink
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PostPosted: 09:59 - 20 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was tempted by a 748 when I was looking for my last bike. It is a fantastic bike - I couldn't imagine owning a mainstream bike like a 600 inline 4 and the Ducati gave a heck of a lot more character, soul, sound and heritage that make the 600s seem like fashion accessories, rather than a fashion icon. The pride of ownership no doubt goes further than skin-deep, customer test rides.

I did deeply consider partying my hard-earned for one, and could afford it - to buy, insure and run (if it had the same reliability and usefulness that I expect from the bikes that I own. But I read a Bike Magazine's buyer's guide to the 748, and 'reconsidered' my options.

"reliability: Ducati reliability has improved dramatically but is still nowhere near Japanese levels of dependability. Lots can go wrong with a 748.

Fuel lines perish and leak; hardening wears off cam followers; oil pressure switches leak oil onto the rear tyre; regulator/rectifiers blow; coolant header tanks split and dump coolant on your left arm; clutches die; the starter motor relay connection fails; other electrical and fuse connectors fuse and burn out; the tail unit lock breaks or bounces out of its socket; cam belts can snap if the bike's been standing for a long time; cush drives can develop so much play the sprocket carrier fouls the swing arm; clutch slave cylinders fail; alternator nuts on Ducati generators come loose..."

OKay, this may not be true for every single 748, but considering I do over 15,000 miles a year on a bike (only form of transport), unfortunately this knocked the Ducati out of the running when I last bought a bike. Plus, running costs including full Ducati servicing, cam belt changes every 6000 miles, etc meant that it wouldn't be up to the job - and would be incredibly expensive to keep tip-top.

Maybe the air cooled 900SS may be a better bet. Still got the Ducati's famed build quality, electrics, etc - but the bike's so much easier to work on and being an air cooled motor in a lower state of tune, maybe there'd be less to go wrong.
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killa
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PostPosted: 10:09 - 20 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

BOLLOX Crying or Very sad

Seems like a lot of shit can go wrong, this isnt good, really had my mind set on one.
I probably do less than 10,000 a year on my bike, not sure if that would matter. Changing cam belts and servicing properly sounds like a nightmare.
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PostPosted: 11:38 - 20 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

While you are unlikely to get hit for many of those problems (and many of them apply to other more mainstream bikes as well), at 10000 miles a year you are looking at regular cambelt changes, and paying someone to do that is not cheap.

All the best

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PostPosted: 12:52 - 20 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

A cambelt change on a 900ss should be as cheap as chips. There are 2 plastic covers (1 for each cylinder) on the side of the engine. Whip these off, ensure engine is in correct position, remove old belts and slide on new belts in SAME position, tension, then slip covers back on.

The 900ss is quite a different bike to the 748 in terms of mechanics. I've the 750sport, which is very similar to the 900ss and the engine is seriously basic, and has been around for years. The servicing should be comparable to most 600's.

I've not had it long, but really like it now. The main reason I bought it was because I couldn't afford the insurance on a jap sports bike, but it still had sporty handling compared to the other options I considered, Sv, Bandit etc. 1st bike I got my knee down on too Smile

And it is Ducati, not ducatti;-)

I'd buy another ducati anyway.

Having said that, I've not ridden it through a winter yet, and to be honest, I dare say that I'll ride my CB250 instead!
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 20 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

having known a few people with Ducati's of varying ages, the newer ones are FINE for reliability, as long as they are used properly and looked after.

The biggest problems are with the ones that aren't ridden enough.

get a Duc, ride it, look after it and enjoy.

If you want something to polish and take out in nice weather, be prepared for fixing it Smile

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PostPosted: 13:44 - 20 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be using it pretty much everyday, as it is my only transport.
But the models i have been looking at are late 90's
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 20 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

killa wrote:

You can pick up a decent 748 for less than 4K so i dont think it's all that expensive.

You can pick up a similar 600, that's probably faster for about £1k to £1.5k less I'd have thought.

If you've got that much to throw invest in looks, then fair enough.

While the ducati 748 has a nice engine for everyday use (it's a bit revvier than your average twin, which is a good thing, in my opinion), the riding position would kill my wrists and back if I used it everyday.

I believe you want to be looking at the /very/ late 90s ones, or ideally early this century for half decent reliablity.

Have you ridden any big twins before?
Some people seem to like them, personally I don't. The 900ss I believe has the proper 'v twin character' - ie feels like the power should kick in, then, instead it dies out Smile.
While the 748 does actually rev a bit to give a bit of fairly smooth torque/power.
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PostPosted: 13:58 - 20 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

killa wrote:
I'd be using it pretty much everyday, as it is my only transport.
But the models i have been looking at are late 90's


should be fine...

just look after it.. don'r neglect it

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PostPosted: 14:27 - 20 Jul 2005    Post subject: Re: Ducati Reply with quote

killa wrote:
Can someone please tell me what it is like to own a Ducatti and what is the owners and everyone else’s view on the reliability and costs of one.
I might be interested in one, if I do buy one I will be riding it all year round like I have with my others, so how will it cope with our changes in weather all the time.
Not sure if it matters but I will be interested in a 900SS or a 748.

Cheers


I have owned 2 Ducatis now, and ridden many others.
https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/jamieducati/duke4.jpg

Between August 2000 and June 2003 I owned a 98 Ducati 900 supersport f.i. This bike is air cooled 4 valve motor as opposed to the 8 valve superbikes. This bike is a great road bike with excellent handling and brakes a quality build and was excellent for single and two up work.
The bulk of my mileage was actually made on twisty roads and distance; 1500 miles 2 up around Scotland and 3000 miles 2 up with all luggage around Europe. On both occasions the bike performed faultlessly and was an absolute hoot. It has been ridden for many miles through torrential rains and never missed a beat.
I looked after the bike and when I sold it it was still mint.
Obviously I maintained it well, typically at a service cost of about £350 a year plus tyres.

I will report 2 problems I had with the bike - 1 is that the starter button got stuck in and took the solenoid out . Ironically the switch gear and electrics is the same as that used on Honda's vtr firestorm, so this was hardly Ducati's fault!!
The second problem was that it developed a slight fuel leak. The tank is hinged to lift it up for ease of service. I simply had the hinge braised and it was sorted.

All in all the Supersport is a passionate involving bike which has quality suspension and even braided brake lines as standard. At about 80bhp (rear wheel) and oodles of torque, it was a great bike for power delivery out of corners. I would thoroughly recommend one of these. Other variants available are 750, and the later 620, 800 and 1000ds versions.

These bikes can be bought for a bargain price, look good and work well.

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I currently own a 2004 749. This is the testastretta 8 valve water cooled engine and is an absolute peach of an engine. Brakes are the best i have ever riddem, 4 piston/ 4 pad per caliper. Handling is also sweet, although I do not recommend this bike for distance 2 up work. no problems whatsoever.

I have also ridden a brace of 748s, a 996, a monster 1000 and a 999. All Ducati models offer a real passion for riding and exclusivity.

I have owned many japanese bikes, and none feel so involving as a Ducati to own and ride.

service intervals are actually (first 600 miles; then 6000 miles (or 1 year) and 12000 miles (2 years). (The 749 costs £300 for 6000 mile, £550 for 12000 mile, all work done.)

It is imperative that service intervals are kept up to date ON TIME as well as mileage. Cam belts MUST be changed no later than every 2 years, but I recommend yearly for piece of mind. The 4 valve air cooled motors are much simpler and cheaper to maintain.
I also tend to change the oil at 3000 miles.

A japanese bike is more forgiving, and could even miss a service etc, but a well looked after Ducati is fine.

I would not consider a pre-1996 Ducati. The reason for this is that the american texas pacific group became the major shareholder in 1996. Electrics became much much better with this.

I would say that whilst high quality Showa and maybe Ohlins suspension is used, the Ducatis tend to be oversprung from standard. I thoroughly recommend having the suspension set up for your riding. When you do they are a beautiful place to be.

In summary, they offer a passionate riding and owning experience. Later models have much better reliability, and quality of ride is amazing, particularly with sublime handling and mid corner poise. Steering tends to be fairly slow, but not a problem.

Servicing must be done on time, and do not leave the bike to want for anything. A well looked after later Ducati will be a pleasure to own. Yes a japanese bike is more forgiving, but servicing is really not that more expensive.

Ask yourself critically what you enjoy and use your bike for most, then get yourself to a dealer to get a test ride- I am sure you will love it. Laughing

See also
https://speedzilla.zeroforum.com/[url]
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killa
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PostPosted: 14:43 - 20 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well that’s certainly sorted me out, thanks very much for the post Jamie.
I think at the moment it is not such a good option as I have just moved out, but I will not let the dream go of owning a Ducati as I am so close.
There is a Ducati specialist at Dave Parry’s in Cheltenham who knows his shiznit. (sorry, new word)
When I speak of a 900SS I was referring to the, and I quote “Upside down bathtub with a head light” as above.
I quite like it, but I do think a newer model is safer option.

Thanks
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PostPosted: 14:50 - 20 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pleasure Killa, just research and take your time - but do get that test ride!!!
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PostPosted: 14:55 - 20 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

killa wrote:

When I speak of a 900SS I was referring to the, and I quote “Upside down bathtub with a head light” as above.
I quite like it, but I do think a newer model is safer option.



The 1000DS is actually a much better engine than the 900ss i owned, due to its twin spark head which produces much better grunt, and rear suspension is Ohlins- much better.
Alternatively the 800ss produces practically the same power as "old" 900ss, and is actually a much sweeter engine.
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PostPosted: 15:06 - 20 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Couple of years ago I went to look at an older 900SS for my father and took it for a spin.

It was a nice enough bike, but I think it depends on where you are doing your riding. The 900SS was a stable torquey bike and worked great on a fast road where you are adjusting your speed on the throttle all the time and rarely needing to brake. Using it down the small back lanes I use to commute really would not appeal.

All the best

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PostPosted: 18:57 - 20 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could always get a red TRX850 and stick a ducati badge on it Wink.
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PostPosted: 18:58 - 20 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Could always get a red TRX850 and stick a ducati badge on it Wink.


A Ducati badge was probably on the Yamaha list of approved accessories.

All the best

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PostPosted: 19:01 - 20 Jul 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know someone who rides an old 750ss and treats it terribly, fairly reliable actually.

He did look into getting a 748 himself but said that from what he had read, the people he had talked too and the riding of it himself he couldnt see anyone using it as an only bike for long. The running of it is ok and it could withstand it mechanicall, but you wouldnt be able to withstand it physically. Even after a few miles in town he said it is painful.

Buy one of the Supersports (SS) bike's if you want an everyday sport Ducati. And make sure it's a post 1996 bike whatever you get. The latest bikes are all as relaible as the Jap bikes if looked after correctly.
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