fuel protest

[zx636]

Isnt it that the price of petrol is going up because of the demand for refined petrol not the oil itself. I believe the USA has the oil reserves but not the refined products and has lost a good percentage of its refining capacity. In the end its all a matter of supply and demand.
will the government help?? I doubt it although they have had a windfall in taxes due to the current cost, and could I suppose, if they wish reduce the tax.

I support the protesters 100% and with luck something may come of it.

As for those who believe the use of such fuels is bad for the enviroment then copy these protesters. Make a stand for what you say you belive in and dont buy such products. We all do our little bit for the envioment I hope.

[bazza]

I've got a fuel protest for you truck-driving retreads - if diesel costs that much, try not overfilling your tanks and then slopping the stuff all over the roads/roundabouts...

You'll save a fortune.
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[m99dws]

I support the protests and won't be panic-buying filling pots and pans up. If I can't run the car, I can't take my daughter to nursery, so I will have to stay off work.
Either way I get paid.

[Rookie]

Projected figures show £1.20 a litre by October.

If the protest will stop this happening, I'm all for the inconvenience.

[John C]

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[John C]

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[John C]

[instigator]

Apart from using the bike for fun or even for getting to work, the price of fuel doesn't really effect me as I get travelling expenses, for a 70 mile commute, if I've done under 4000 miles in total, I get £28 a day. Once it steps over 4000, it's down to roughly £15.

I do wonder how this is going to hit companies who issue out fuel cards.... As I'm looking forward to mine.

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[kal9001]

Right i dont know if this point has been made beofre but it gives meannother chance to pointout this VERY serious situation

a previous poster said that no new refineries have been built for a very long time, Oil companies are mergeing like crazy. what does that tell you about the market...what do they know we dont...

Oil will not last forever "we are a long way from running out of oil" true it will probably be annother60 years before we totaly run out of oil, but are anyof you aware of "peak oil"
its a very simple concept, basicley, when the planets total oil supply reaches 50% (roughley) then globa oil production will "peak"
simple mental diagram for you.
your hand is a oil well, and a huge tray of maggots infront of you is the oil supply, when you start ou can chuck them out in great big handfulls, but once there are few left you have to start picking them out...oil is the same, once we reach that level oil extraction will slow.if that slows refineries will slow then we are all fucked.

now there will also be some people who think that rasing prices wont mean much for them.
we have prices slowley rising now, the effect of this is people are slowley getting poorer, now when peopl get poorer they tent to spend less in shops and so on, but as petrol is neccecery then we cant squander that,so we sacrifice other things, those companies then loose money. so it has to reduce its size, or lay off staff hold that thaught

DHL a ditrubution company is faced with increcing prices of its deasil, so it has to rase its prices, OR lay off staff. now if it does the former then comapny A as mention erlier will have topay more for its deliveries...wich makes its low sales even more of a problem...when it goesoutof buisness as theres no money,it loosesall the staff who cant buy anymore stuff thus spread the problem to more places, AND DHL who lost a contract, thus money wich makes its problem even worse
wich in turn slowley eats away at our economy, untill we are all fucked...
and the worst thing is, lostof high power people KNOW this will happen, BUT in our capitalist world noone will do anythingwhile there is still money to be made! so when the problem gest that bad that we realise we need to do something then we will all be too poor toafford alternative energy.
also consider by this point DHL and other companies will be ether out of buisness or so crippeld they are unable to deploy and provide the new technology.

this is a VERY big problem, and noone seems to be bothers pureley cos there are currentley no symptoms, other then the obvious cause - high oil prices...

and annother point, we know what the Americans are like, look at iraq, look at the thing going off ATM...what theirculture does when its desperate...so when things get realy rough and america is faced with not being able to fuel their 3 SUV's per person then who do you think will end up worse off when they comelookingfor more oil...us or them...a US cenetor of some kind a few yeasr ago allready admited that planshad been drawn up for the US to"secure resources by force" to ensure that the american lifestyle can be upheld...
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[Kickstart]

Hi

Oil reserves are quoted in proven resources at current consumption. We have about 40~50 years at that level. However as the price rises then previously uneconomic reserves become feasable, so the time frame increases although increased oil use has the opposite effect. Also improved extraction techniques mean that more oil can be got from sources that would otherwise have been abandoned.

There are other sources. For example, as oil prices rise shale oil should become economically viable.

All the best

Keith
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[kal9001]

Yes but your takeing the very narrow minded aproch to it...what happens in 50 years when they DO run out...then we will have the same problem we have today, its all about sustainability!
at the moment Demand is rising, production is capped, and pretty soon the extraction will start to slow. this is known as "Peak oil" it is a proven cycle its happend in the US and in russia, and somethinf very simaler has happend with North sea gas...
the oil doesnt need to acctualy run out for the extraction of it to slow dramaticaly...so the 40-50 years of avalable supply we are currentley running it at 100%...that could be 90% of todays figure if oil peaks...then the year after 90% of that...then 90% of that...ect
slowley, or probably quite quickley supply will fall short of demand...then prices will hit the roof.
we can see this allready the prices will follow a tangent...so the prices will raise slowley at 1st...look in the past fiew years how quickley they have risen...not that much realy its only been the past 2-3 years its become a real issue...well think in 2-3 years time when we have £3 per litre or maybe more...

the Peak oil theory wich has been proven in practice...oil supply follows a "bell curve" meaning in any given oil providing area...the supply will slowley build up, then increce in speed untill the supply hitts 100% meaning even tho there is pleany of oil left its not possible to extract it any fater. that it known as peak...it can sit at that for a little while. then a little past 50% of the total avalable the supply begins to drop off...and it slowley starts to cost more and more to maintain that supply...and once supply hits demand then the shit hits the fan...
now in the US and russia when this happend both following that exact pattern, the oil companies just when else where, i.e. saudi arabia and iraq...once they peak then we will have to go somewhere else ect...
now the pint made is that once they are all the same level the old ones will become viable again...yes they may become a cheaper option, but thats all relative..the prices will still be high...and they will just keep getting higher...

so despite not acctualy running outof oil the prices will raise to such an extent as you wouldnt beabel to afford it...and when noone buys it the refineries go bust, and the oilcompanies go bust then if we get that far, supply will be nill....while demand will have also dropped off as the slowley rising prices will have milked everyone dry so they end up giveing up cars...but by then the economies of the developed world will be in sich a mess that we wont need them...
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[plugger147]

the oil companies are businesses hence there whole point is to make money,it's the government who rob us with their taxes and excuses.if there government wasn't making so much money from fuel then they would have started encouraging alternative power source's for vehicle's back in the seventies when they hit problem's then.

i don't know if it's just because they want to or if they are being encouraged now but the japanese car makers have all got their fingers in alternative power source's.why has it taken until now though?
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[TOM M]

On the subject of oil availability, isnt there ment to be a massive oilsupply underneath the north pole / antarctica (cant remember which)??
If so then why dont they tap into these in a few years to make the oillast longer?????
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[Barry_M2]

https://www.petroldirect.com/index.htm

Check this site out, its excellent! Very cheap petrol.

[John C]

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