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BanditBitch
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 03 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

gammamanuk wrote:
What i want know bandit, and i can't find it anywhere on the web, it doesn't say anything about eptopic pregnancy when your expecting twins?

It also doesn't say if the one thats growing in the fallopian tube will definately die, because they told her it may release itself over the course of the next few days Confused


I cant find anything twin pregnancy with ectopic either, which leads me to think maybe your girlfriend has got her wires crossed.

The thing is Gamma, when she had the scan the other day, did they say both babies were alive? A pregnancy cannot progress normally in a fallopian tube, the fallopian tube ruptures.

This site may be useful:
https://www.ectopic.org/medical%5Finformation/

If one baby is growing in the fallopian tube,then that means the placenta is embedded/growing in the fallopian tube. It cannot just release itself,move into the womb and grow/progress like a normal pregnancy. It will continue to grow in the fallopian tube until it ruptures.They dont usually get as far as 10-12 weeks, they usually rupture a good few weeks before this.

If the doctors think she has an ectopic pregnancy,especially at 12 weeks gestation, then they wouldnt be sending her home until Wednesday because ectopic pregnancy is serious and can be life threatening.

If the baby in the tube is not alive, then that would be a different thing altogether, they possibly would send her home to await events (see if she loses it). Providing the one thats alive wasnt at risk.

It might end up being something totally different, because I dont think your GF knows what she is on about, she wont have asked the appropriate questions and probably didnt listen to what the doctors said. I dont mean that nasty, I would expect any 16 year old girl, to thoroughly understand what was happening in those circumstances.

Thats why you need to tell someone else. You need to know exactly whats going on. When you do find out the diagnosis then maybe we can give you some accurate information. At the moment, it doesnt all make sense. All sounds too complicated.

I find it hard to believe that the hospital didnt want to involve her parents in view of her age and pregnancy history. You need to tell her Mum.
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PostPosted: 11:40 - 03 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I hear there's a "buy one get one free" offer at the abortion clinic at the moment? Laughing


Thats uncalled for. Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 11:51 - 03 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Banditbitch the "one-in-one-out" situation was mentioned in your first link. It's called heterotopic pregnancy - gamma could google it.

Not very much info available though, it's a rare condition, and I found little or nothing to indicate how many successful outcomes there have been.
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PostPosted: 12:09 - 03 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

dude, you're gonna end up dead or in jail.

i had a fucked up missus once, she was drop dead gorgeous. and when i was first with her, she was a fuckin angel.

then came the moods, the bitching, (oh, and i cheated on her twice, but never mind that.)

then i went around a similar roller coaster most guys do.

up, down, all that jazz.

ringing, going around there, punching walls.


fuck that shit


i'm tellin ya, break it off. it's like quitting smoking, it's hard for the first part. then it gets easier, etc etc..

eventually you'll want to talk to her again, but just remember how much of a future fuck up she'll be the cause of.


fuck it off, and move on Very Happy
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PostPosted: 12:12 - 03 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

babyyam wrote:
Banditbitch the "one-in-one-out" situation was mentioned in your first link. It's called heterotopic pregnancy - gamma could google it.

Not very much info available though, it's a rare condition, and I found little or nothing to indicate how many successful outcomes there have been.


Yes, not much information, a few case studies, but most of the information is geared up to medical personnel and i think most non medical folks, could find it a tad scary, possible misinterpreting it. It would be nice find an 'information leaflet for patients', type of thing, to help Gamma get his head round it.

But he really needs get the full low down, get the actually diagnosis and take it from there. Wish he would do as he was told, and talk to his Mum.


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PostPosted: 12:13 - 03 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

ash t wrote:
So gammaman, theres 2 more of you growing, I fear the worst.

Best of luck! You will need it. Twins cost 3 times as much as a single baby.


er.. how did you figure that one out? Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 03 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

MattyB wrote:
ash t wrote:
So gammaman, theres 2 more of you growing, I fear the worst.

Best of luck! You will need it. Twins cost 3 times as much as a single baby.


er.. how did you figure that one out? Laughing


Here goes.

When one kid has one thing, the other one wants it too. Whenever you buy them different things, you still have to get them what the other one has.

Thats what a friend with twins told me anyway
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PostPosted: 13:30 - 03 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

See she told me its a called a etopic pregnancy before i even asked her.

They told her the other baby is perfectly fine and growing, the other one has gone back up into the fallopian tube and is not growing at the same rate as its brother/sister.

She gets severe sharp pains which make her double over, bleeding a lot etc

On the scan you could clearly see the perfectly fine one and then there was a shadow on the fallopian tube, this was the other one.

Im going with her wednesday as i want to know for sure.
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PostPosted: 14:08 - 03 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

fuck wednesday, move interstate.

you're gonna end up wrapped around her pinky finger, doing exactly what she says.



wait.. what 'end up'

heh

wwhhiippppped!
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PostPosted: 14:10 - 03 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

MattyB wrote:

wwhhiippppped!


Hey dude any one told you its Owned/Pwned now Wink
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PostPosted: 14:20 - 03 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

this really isnt adding up. I had an eptopic and they dont wait and see what happens.

If girlfriend has any sort of embryo outside her womb, they would be keeping her in hospital. People die from burst fallopian tubes. When I had my eptopic I went along for a scan and never went home for the following week in case I collapsed and I wasnt that far gone either!

This really isnt stacking up. Either you need a better doctor or someone is telling fibs.

If one is eptopic and they do an operation I am pretty sure it will affect both lots......

Were you there when doctor said all this or is your GF feeding you bull??

Sorry but this is an area I am well versed in and it just doesnt read right.
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PostPosted: 14:21 - 03 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They told her the other baby is perfectly fine and growing, the other one has gone back up into the fallopian tube and is not growing at the same rate as its brother/sister.

She gets severe sharp pains which make her double over, bleeding a lot etc


gone back up her fallopian tube, yes eptopic but they dont move about like that, they plant and stay put! - if this was the case then I am telling you, she would be on the operating table now!!

That feotus isnt going to suddenly move into her womb it doesnt work like that.

This girl is bullshitting you!
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PostPosted: 14:22 - 03 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh fuck gammamanuk, someones here knows more than you about your own lies!

babaaaaoowwww
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PostPosted: 14:41 - 03 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just because i don't know what im talking about doesnt mean im lying FFS

Are you telling me you only get etopic pregnancys with ONE foetus/baby? Or is it possible with twins but is very rare? Cause she mentioned etopic pregnancy but i don't think shes too sure after thinking about it.

Right once again:

The day before yesterday we fell out, and i told her not to phone me, she planned to get rid of it over the weekend.

She then on the Thursday has really bad pains and bleeding, she went to the doctors who sent her straight for a scan.

The baby showed up as normal, but then they saw the shadow over her fallopian tube area and told her she is having twins, one is healthy but one hasnt attached itself properly, due to stress and her being tense inside, they let her go home and has to go back wednesday.

If the twin on the fallopian tube area hasnt sorted itself or done what its supposed to be doing, then she will need a operation or something, which then endangers the life of the second one.

Okay ? ?

She hasn't been lying to me, she is definately having twins and she knows what id be like with he rif she had lied to me about something as serious at this, this is also why im going with her to the hospital on Wednesday for her second scan, then can see if there has been any progress, if not then they will go from there.

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PostPosted: 15:11 - 03 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

gammamanuk wrote:
Just because i don't know what im talking about doesnt mean im lying FFS

Are you telling me you only get etopic pregnancys with ONE foetus/baby? Or is it possible with twins but is very rare? Cause she mentioned etopic pregnancy but i don't think shes too sure after thinking about it.


I for one, dont think your lying ... a little confused or misinformed maybe yes, but most blokes would be.

Yes it is possible to have an ectopic pregnancy with twins. As Babyam mentioned earlier, its called a heterotopic pregnancy. Thats means one foetus is growing in the womb as normal, and the other is growing elsewhere, the most common place being in the fallopian tube.

It is very, very rare, approx 1 in 10,000. There are certain things that may cause it, but occaissionally it just happens, and you cant find a cause. the risk factors are:

Advancing Age

Pelvic Inflammatory Disease, this includes chlamydia and gonorrhoea. These can cause adhesions and damage the fallopian tubes.

Tubal Surgery

Previous terminations of pregnancy, especially if there was an infection afterwards.

IVF (test tube baby) and ovulation induction (fertility drugs)

The treatments include:

Expectant Managemnt: Waiting to see if the foetus regresses on its own and is absorbed by the body. This sounds like what your girlfriend is saying.

Medical Treatment: Which means administering a drug by injection, which will make the foetus shrink away and stop growing.

Laparoscopic surgery: Keyhole Surgery

Open Surgery; which means removing the affected fallopian tube or disecting the affected part and removing the foetus, whilst trying to save the tube.



But if your girlfriend does have a normally growing foetus in her womb too ...... then obviously this affects what decisions the medical staff make, as regards treatment.

You say she had a miscarriage, then the baby she had a couple of months ago, and now she is pregnant with twins. 3 pregnancies at 16 years of age, her body hasnt had time to recover from each pregnancy, it takes a couple of years for a womans body to fully recover from childbirth. There's no wonder that she is running into problems, really. At 16 her body hasnt even finished developing yet.

As for your girlfriend saying that Stress and upset has caused the ectopic, then that is bollocks. Maybe she is trying to tug on your conscience.

Never the less, its not a nice situation for you both to be in.


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PostPosted: 15:14 - 03 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

BanditBitch wrote:
Never the less, its not a nice situation for you both to be in.


Too right, they can't cope at all.
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PostPosted: 15:23 - 03 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

yep you can have eptopic with 1, 2 or 3 kids...

But IF there is any chance of eptopic, she'd have been kept in hospital....
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PostPosted: 15:33 - 03 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sticky wrote:
yep you can have eptopic with 1, 2 or 3 kids...

But IF there is any chance of eptopic, she'd have been kept in hospital....


Like you, I am also clued up on obstetric matters. Which is why I find it all a bit strange, Gamma will have to investigate for himself, and find out the truth when he goes to the hospital.
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PostPosted: 15:45 - 03 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

When my other half had an ectopic pregnancy(coincidentally twins) she was kept in.
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PostPosted: 15:50 - 03 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

zaknafien wrote:
When my other half had an ectopic pregnancy(coincidentally twins) she was kept in.


Yeah I'd have thought they would keep her in, an ectopic is potentially very serious.... it must very confusing for Gamma.
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 03 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

So if its gone back up one of her fallopian tubes, and it isn't a ectopic pregnancy, then what the hells happened? Confused
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PostPosted: 15:57 - 03 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

if its up fallopian tube it IS eptopic pregnancy. They would keep her in, once knowing situation they would not leave themselves liable to letting her out in case she keeled over and died, it woudl cost them in negligence.

I really think you both ought to speak to your parents, this is not amusing anymore, its time you found out whats going on for her sake and yours.
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PostPosted: 16:00 - 03 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sticky wrote:
yep you can have eptopic with 1, 2 or 3 kids...

But IF there is any chance of eptopic, she'd have been kept in hospital....


It depends on what stage of pregnancy the ectopic is. If from the scans and patients history, the risk of rupture is determined to be minimal for the next few days / weeks, the mother is allowed to go home and return the next day or in a few days time to have it sorted at a more convenient time.
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PostPosted: 16:02 - 03 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

gammamanuk wrote:
So if its gone back up one of her fallopian tubes, and it isn't a ectopic pregnancy, then what the hells happened? Confused


It will have just stayed in the tube, and embedded in there, instead of making its way into the womb. It cant be in the womb one minute, then just shoot up to the fallopian tubes.
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PostPosted: 16:04 - 03 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

nrml76 wrote:
Sticky wrote:
yep you can have eptopic with 1, 2 or 3 kids...

But IF there is any chance of eptopic, she'd have been kept in hospital....


It depends on what stage of pregnancy the ectopic is. If from the scans and patients history, the risk of rupture is determined to be minimal for the next few days / weeks, the mother is allowed to go home and return the next day or in a few days time to have it sorted at a more convenient time.


Gamma reckons about 12 weeks, they wouldnt let her home with a 12 week foetus in her tube.

Maybe the tubal foetus, died at an earlier gestation, in which case, wont be growing anymore, so risk of rupture is reduced, and the doctors are waiting to see if it seperates and reabsorbs.
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