Should CS spray be banned...

[daz|n00by]

[Kickstart]

Hi

No objections to guns at all, just think that for general police use they would be more trouble than they are worth. About as much use as an Uzi for taking out one target in a crowd from a distance.

After all, if you did not want to stop for a police officer and knew that they were not going to shoot you would you stop for them just because they waved a gun in your direction?

All the best

Keith
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[McGee]

Thats why I said Tazer Guns for the wimps

Personally if i was given the option Glock or tazer I would take the glock any day.

I want to be a cop and I dont care if they decided to arm or not I just think in this time and age we need them.

And im not talking a little town in wales cop im talking a metro cop
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[Kickstart]

Hi

It would be the Glock for the wimps, those who were prepared and able to get stuck in wouldn't have a gun. "I'm waving my gun at you, so stop or I will get my unarmed mate to bring you down".

All the best

Keith
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[McGee]

Most police go through there whole carrer and have never pulled a there fire arm on any one.
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[Kickstart]

Hi

If someone complies, fine. If they don't then pretty much all they can do is shoot them. Try and physically restrain them and you have just put your weapon with arms reach of someone who might use it on you.

All the best

Keith
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[McGee]

They train you how to use the gun ffs.

You think there gonna say here's your handgun go have some fun..... Oh and chavs are worth 10 points
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[Kickstart]

Hi

No, you are missing the point entirely. Carry a gun and you are restricted in the actions you can take. So if the limited uses of that weapon does not compensate for it then it is a major backward step.

About as much use as a hand held nuclear weapon with a 5 second fuse. Looks impressive but thats about it.

All the best

Keith
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[Johnny GSX-R]

BLACKNIGHT

You really really are in another world mate..

How many jobs do you think GMP deal with each day on average??

A) About 3000 potentially dangerous incidents logged each day..

We are there as POLICE to uphold the LAW and serve and protect the country..

Are you gonna take tanks and guns from the Army and issue them with pea-shooters........NO!

Who do you think Traffic Wardens, Bouncers and others call when the shit hits the fan??? US!!

I believe airline staff carry mace and handcuffs, some airlines have their own armed staff who carry low power handguns which will not penetrate the skin of the craft, also they have access to electrical stun devices for restraint.

Members of the public DO have the right to protect themselves however they , like us ,have to PROVE the need for such force.
We are trained to prove the need for such force, licensed to carry a baton and CS spray as i said earlier.
The LAW states you as a member of the public cannot be issued such a license.

The difference between a COP and YOU is COPS work for the Monarch to keep order in the country, we are a FORCE,, the same as the Army is a FORCE and the RAF & NAVY............we are there to do a professional job.

End of topic

[McGee]

Thats why you would still get your baton/night stick what ever its called.

Damn it the gun is the last resort
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[Kickstart]

You are still missing the point. Use the batton while carrying a gun and you are putting yourself in danger of having the gun used against you. It prevents the safe use of a baton.

Yes it is a last resort. As such used by limited numbers of officers when called in.

The gun should not be a police fashion statement. It is a tool. Doesn't matter how cool the tool looks, if it stops you doing your job as effectively then it is useless.

All the best

Keith
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[McGee]

How the fuck is it stopping you though its in a god damn holster and on a rare occasion has a suspect ever grabbed a gun of an officer.

Say you get the guy to stop you shout the order etc Get on your knees cross them hands behind your head etc approach them cuff one hand then holster finish cuffing. and while doing this your partner has you covered.

Im taking Law Enforcement at uni, will get some pics its great fun we get to drive the cars the lot although there shitty they still got sirens which owns. rubber guns for the win.

And even though I want to be a UK L.E.O this is a good learning experience.
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Its pronounced Jixxer!

[Kickstart]

[McGee]

So how do you do it with out a gun.

Shout at him with a baton they will leg it just the same. and what if there armed hide behind a car while he takes shots at the public while Armed responce are 35 mins away and stuck in traffic.
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Its pronounced Jixxer!

[Black Knight]

Sorry John, you haven't changed my thoughts on this.
I see where you're coming from though.

Yeah I understand the police have a job to do, but I don't see why they should be allowed to go around assaulting people and get away with it.

I know it probably just a few rotten apples but in my time i've seen plenty enough of them.

I don't see why coppers should be afforded special benefits and allowances. They should be subject to the law of the land like the rest of us.

When I saw that officer drive into that chap I wanted to go and have serious words with him. I didn't bother as I knew I would be the one loosing out.
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[bazza]

I have a problem with the element of summary justice which creeps into the use of non-lethal equipment. i.e. a faceful of CS as retaliation for gobbing off, or a being batoned to the ground for failing the attitude test, etc.
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[Crazy Manx Man]

Yes, it should be banned.

Police shouldn't be trusted with such equipment without the nesseccary training.

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