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PostPosted: 15:06 - 11 Feb 2006    Post subject: Battery ness (wtf... ) Reply with quote

Ok, smod (edit:Smod is a 1989 vfr 750 for the record) was really giving me some shit starting a while ago, and on checking the battery i decided that might be a reason

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So i got a new one, charged it up using my shit heap of a draper charger, for an hour as apparently it was already charged and i was wary of boiling off another one.

Tried it on the bike, it turned over twice then battery was flat.

Charged it for about 5 hours, unplugged overnight and tried in the morning, absolutely nothing. Neutral and oil light came on, and dimmed when i pressed the starter button.

Went on ebay, bought an optimate, had the new battery on there till literally 5 minutes before wanting to use it, got the nice smiley face green light.

Put it on the bike, got the neutral and oil light dimming thing again, without anything turning over...

Take the battery upstairs after trying that a couple of times and it was back to amber....

Anyone got a scooby doo? I tried the main bank of fuses, all seem intact, havent managed to get at the main fuse yet (not for the want of trying) but if that was gone im sure the whole ignition would be off.

So... Any ideas kiddies?

Im currently charging my old boiled battery to see if that has any joy because i dont trust 'sprint' batteries that much.
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PostPosted: 15:09 - 11 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you put the acid stuff in correctly?
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PostPosted: 15:40 - 11 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

carvell wrote:
Did you put the acid stuff in correctly?


Came gased up mate.
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PostPosted: 15:50 - 11 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that either the battery isn't up to it or there is something wrong with the starter motor, might be earthing out causing the battery to drain itself.
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PostPosted: 16:13 - 11 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

marki wrote:
I think that either the battery isn't up to it or there is something wrong with the starter motor, might be earthing out causing the battery to drain itself.


How would i check the starter? Hell, where is the starter? Is it the one straight off the positive terminal?

Tis bloody annoying.
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PostPosted: 17:56 - 11 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

how many volts are you getting across the battery? Also check what the voltage drops to when you try to start it. It would be ideal if you had a "minimum" setting on your voltmeter for this.
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PostPosted: 17:57 - 11 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Charged up (as much as it would anyway) the old battery just to see if it would turn, it doesnt.

Something is deeply fucked...

My guess is its been sitting somewhere and something corroded and is now earthing.

But anyone had these symptoms? No starter and everything dims when you press the button, but the ignition is still on...
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 11 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

True Blue wrote:
how many volts are you getting across the battery? Also check what the voltage drops to when you try to start it. It would be ideal if you had a "minimum" setting on your voltmeter for this.

Should i get a voltmeter then Crying or Very sad

Oh and the battery i literally had in the bike 10 mins, tried starting about 3 times with no actual engine turning over etc has taken over two hours on the optimate to go from amber to green (its still amber)...

Not good.
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PostPosted: 18:04 - 11 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well if you had a voltmeter you would be able to tell if the battery had a decent voltage (though this doesn't necessarily mean it's charged)

I think the optimate monitors your battery for a while before it attempts to charge it. This could be why it takes 2 hours. If you check the voltage it should be above 13 volts ideally. If it is and your started isn't turning over then your starter may be knackered. you could try sticking 12v directly onto the started to see if you can turn it.
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PostPosted: 18:51 - 11 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

when i picked up my bike, it took 3 batteries befor i got a good one that would hold a charge.
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PostPosted: 19:02 - 11 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had the same thing on my old cb125, turned out an 8mm nut had come loose on the starter relay. Check under your seat for loose bolts/connections.
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 11 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

May i suggest filling it up with acid?
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PostPosted: 12:41 - 12 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

cagiva gezzer wrote:
May i suggest filling it up with acid?


Yeh i know... thats the old battery i killed.

I have a new one like.

And ginger... Fook that.
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PostPosted: 12:41 - 12 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

cagiva gezzer wrote:
May i suggest filling it up with acid?


Yeh i know... thats the old battery i killed.

I have a new one like.

And ginger... Fook that.
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PostPosted: 12:44 - 12 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Batteries dont come ready filled, if you buy a maintenance free battery you get a pack of acid tudes which you stick in the top of the battery til it fills then you stick a sealing strip on it.
If its the old type battery with little plastic screws on top you have to get it filled with acid. They dont ship em out with the acid in otherwise it could leak.
where did you get the battery from??
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PostPosted: 12:51 - 12 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is where I was going when I asked if the acid was done correctly.

The symptoms you're describing suggest you haven't put the acid in, and if you have, not correctly.

I've never seen them come with acid already in, but it's possible.
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PostPosted: 12:59 - 12 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

carvell wrote:
This is where I was going when I asked if the acid was done correctly.

The symptoms you're describing suggest you haven't put the acid in, and if you have, not correctly.

I've never seen them come with acid already in, but it's possible.


Well its definitely acid, my tempory blindness attests to that Crying or Very sad

And its from a bike shop, a mate of mine picked it up for me, im assuming the bike shop gassed it up... ?
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PostPosted: 13:05 - 12 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you tried running some jump leads from another battery to yours then starting you bike?? If that works then you will know if its the battery thats faulty.
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PostPosted: 13:22 - 12 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

dont have any more batteries.

I tried sticking in my old knackered one and the same things happened as with the new one so im thinking its the bike...

Out of curiosity, what happens if you dont get a good contact on the negative terminal (the contacts are diff on this battery)?
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PostPosted: 13:37 - 12 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you dont have a good contact that could be the cause of the problem...i always give the terminals & connectors a good scrub with a wire brush to keep em clean.
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 12 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Owdamer wrote:
If you dont have a good contact that could be the cause of the problem...i always give the terminals & connectors a good scrub with a wire brush to keep em clean.


Its because the neg lead is a bit sort for fitting on the new battery, different connector.

But the old one screws down fine... and the same thing happened.

I can screw on the lead on the new battery, just not down properly... Confused
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PostPosted: 13:59 - 12 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Owdamer wrote:
Batteries dont come ready filled, if you buy a maintenance free battery you get a pack of acid tudes which you stick in the top of the battery til it fills then you stick a sealing strip on it.
If its the old type battery with little plastic screws on top you have to get it filled with acid. They dont ship em out with the acid in otherwise it could leak.
where did you get the battery from??


Not true, wemoto shipped me out a packet of acid.
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PostPosted: 14:07 - 12 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toby R wrote:
Owdamer wrote:
Batteries dont come ready filled, if you buy a maintenance free battery you get a pack of acid tudes which you stick in the top of the battery til it fills then you stick a sealing strip on it.
If its the old type battery with little plastic screws on top you have to get it filled with acid. They dont ship em out with the acid in otherwise it could leak.
where did you get the battery from??


Not true, wemoto shipped me out a packet of acid.


yes, but it wasn't in the battery was it. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 16:18 - 12 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

bonny_ricardo wrote:

I can screw on the lead on the new battery, just not down properly... Confused


Think of your battery as home. You leave home via the red wire, go all round the different circuits and come back via the black wire. If someone's got the end of the street dug up ..... Wink
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PostPosted: 18:33 - 12 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Think of your battery as home. You leave home via the red wire, go all round the different circuits and come back via the black wire. If someone's got the end of the street dug up ..... Wink


I understand the general principle of a circuit. However its in contact, its just not clamped down tight. I was wondering if that mattered.
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