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danclarkie
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PostPosted: 17:09 - 07 Apr 2006    Post subject: First Aid for coppers - for bikers Reply with quote
Hi, Not been on here for a while now, oops, bit of a fair weather rider i suppose!
Well straight to the point, Tomorrow I've got a First aid session with my class of hobby bobbies (special constables). now i was speaking to the A&E nurse who is going to be doing the course for us and speaking about "here mate ill get that helmet off you!" and how it can paralise people but she said if someone is choking or you cant be sure they are breathing then the helmet would be off pretty much straight away. So any thing to contribute about first aid for motorcyclists that i can pass on? i mean could well be one of my colleauges that come across you after a nasty accident! Cheers

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PostPosted: 17:22 - 07 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Firstly, upload a bigger pic of your avatar LOL
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PostPosted: 11:03 - 08 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Was mentioned in this thread a while back to mixed reviews (present company included) Confused

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john2
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PostPosted: 22:38 - 09 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Also if you give someone CPR without asking them and you break one of thier ribs they can sue you, even if they would of died if you had not!
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superstacker
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PostPosted: 02:54 - 10 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
john2 wrote:
Also if you give someone CPR without asking them and you break one of thier ribs they can sue you, even if they would of died if you had not!


Incorrect

If someone is unconscious then they lose the right to decline medical aid.

It is an offence under the samaritans act not to help someone in need, (even if this means just picking up the phone and calling an ambulance). So long as what you were doing was in the best interests of the casualty, and you were not being grossly negligent, then the chances of legal repurcussions would be very low.

Bloody urban myths
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Whosthedaddy
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PostPosted: 09:55 - 10 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
john2 wrote:
Also if you give someone CPR without asking them and you break one of thier ribs they can sue you, even if they would of died if you had not!


If they need CPR, they are DEAD, any other injuries caused by the rescue attempt are taken into consideration if they survive.

They would be an ablsolute wank stain to sue as you saved their life.

I have only been thanked on a few occasions when I have defibrilated them, mainly as they are unaware of the cardiac arrest.

The think they do remember is the pain I have given them by given them a precordial thump (shift, sharp punch to the chest).

I have a bit of a reputation on the ward for the ferosity of this Twisted Evil Im sure that I have broken ribs in the past by this, or by doing CPR, but nothing has ever been said. I have had some funny looks from other patients and relatives when I appear to be attacking their friend or loved one Confused
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john2
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PostPosted: 10:11 - 10 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well i'm only saying what i was told when i went on a first aid course, i didn't believe it aswell, but he insisted it was correct. Even if it was true what person in there right mind would sue you for saving there life?
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Whosthedaddy
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PostPosted: 10:51 - 10 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
John 2 wrote:
Well i'm only saying what i was told when i went on a first aid course


First aiders Rolling Eyes Makes me laugh when my mum has completed her annual first aid update, she tries to tell me how to do things.

When teaching BLS they should have stated that

British Resuscitation Council wrote:
Pay attention to achieving the full compression depth of 4-5 cm (for an adult


If you are compressing the sternum by this amount (used to be a third of the persons depth Shocked) you will cause damage, when the adrenaline is pumping its hard not to get caried away and be over enthusiastic.

I would'nt worry about making mistakes, most nurses and doctors make silly mistakes.

Its one of them skills that you hope you never have to use Thumbs Up
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Whosthedaddy
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PostPosted: 11:08 - 10 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
I wish that my BLS and ALS courses had these instructors Laughing Thumbs Up

Oh La La
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john2
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PostPosted: 11:13 - 10 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
I know its pathetic, i said so if you were treating someone and they were going to collapse any minute you should get them to sign a bit of paper to say its ok to give them CPR!
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Whosthedaddy
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PostPosted: 11:21 - 10 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
john2 wrote:
I know its pathetic, i said so if you were treating someone and they were going to collapse any minute you should get them to sign a bit of paper to say its ok to give them CPR!


Living wills.....very grey area Eh?
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biggerjohn
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PostPosted: 12:01 - 10 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Whosthedaddy wrote:
I wish that my BLS and ALS courses had these instructors Laughing Thumbs Up

Oh La La


i can see what you meen mate nice find Thumbs Up
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superstacker
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PostPosted: 13:08 - 10 Apr 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ive not known of anyone to get sued for helping someone with first aid, i mean i think an absolute wayne ker could try an invoke legal proceedings, but i couldnt imagine a conviction unless you had deliberately screwed up?

ill have a look about.......
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