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| FreshAL wrote: | Is anyone else actually slightly looking forward to the collapse of western civilisation?
Don't get me wrong; I have a nice job, own a house, live a comfortable life, so in some ways I have more to loose than many but damn, wouldn't it be exciting? |
I know exactly what you mean. But then I go to the fridge, and there's the milk.
It would hurt, big time. Alone, single, no problemo, but with children to feed it would get medieval real fast.
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| Posted: 11:38 - 02 Sep 2008 Post subject: |
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Erm no...
Depends just how bad it gets as recently as the 1950s cannabalism was quite common...children , would be snatched at first then villages would turn on a family and eat them and then turn on another family and eat them...
And the thing is if you are prey and there is no adquate refrigeration or the energy for it, the hunter will just chop off limbs as needed and sear the wound shut.
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| Hetzer wrote: | I think Itchy is referring to some jungle-tribe somewhere, not the inhabitants of one of our more rural counties. |
Nope , the great leap forward famine 1949-1952 China.
A short history... A perfect storm they called it..
After the defeat of Chen Kai Shek who fled to Taiwan , Mao was the dominant power in China.
Farmers had been over reporting their yields massively to save face, and even worse show fields of rice were made where healthy rice was torn up and replanted in a field to exaggerate rice yields. for government inspections.
People cut down trees to make steel too which causes massive soil erosion which caused a reduction of land to cultivate.
The USSR then split with China , the USSR demanded its loans back immediately.. the USSR had an enourmous army you don't say no to enourmous armies.
The communist government of the time had to have a fire sale to pay such loans and confident that there was enough food due to overreporting, and went to TAKE it from the farmers, thinking they had enough, but they took everything they had and then some , ie next years seeds.
This happened when there was an incredible drought at the time in China which meant that yield was terrible anyway...
AND many people had been taken off the land to build giant projects like the Canal..
People with nothing to eat started to eat each other.
Result unknown number of dead said to be 30-70 million people.
Which is why Mao is regarded as the biggest killer of all time , more than ALL the dictators in 2000 years of history put together.
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Itchy, it wasn't drought or any of that drama that caused "cannibalism" It was socialist science. Look up "Lysenkoism", the farming methods that had failed in the USSR in the 1930's were being employed in China, even though Mao knew it would fail, but refused to admit it to save face.
The Great Leap forward is quite amusing to study though, some of the tactics employed were really quite funny.
Back garden furnaces to aid production of steel? Only it never ended up as steel and dumped anyway. 
The gullibility of the people were to blame though and it inevitable the Cultural revolution would be easy to pull off.
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I don't think Western Civilisation is going to fall apart. We will hit a recession, probably before the year is out, but it will merely be five years of downturn before things start to go like they did mid 90's with house prices rising rapidly again.
P.S Oil is now at $107 a barrel. 
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Ok I’ll write something
We have everything compared to many 3rd world counties who work just to survive. No social security, no heating, no nice homes. They live in a permanent recession.
In my experience they are much happier than we are so I don’t worry too much.
It a real bad idea to think “Shit recession” and start saving. Because it makes things worse.
If you want to help you can work or start a small business in your local community and contribute to it. Set an example to the chav’s (and perhaps) give them an opportunity to be part of something which respects them. Most of society is geared the opposite way. i.e. Look after yourself and the more profit the better regardless of who we exploit.
Better to invest in the solution than save and worry about the problem.  |
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1 GBP = $1.75933 
EDIT in the time it took to post
1 GBP = $1.75732
Apocalypse territory is £1 = $1.50.
Time to change all my savings into Yen or Swiss francs me thinks.
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| Quote: | Dear Labour Voters
We meet at last. It’s been 11 years and you’ve enjoyed every moment, haven’t you?
You had f**k all but weren’t happy watching others get on, so you voted for the grinning slimeball who offered you something for nothing, didn’t you? Guess who got rich? You or him?
I digress. Let’s get back to you lot. All 9 million of you. How are things? Still smiling? You’ve had 11 years to make the best of it. So let’s look at what you have achieved. All 9 million of you.
Whilst you’ve been enjoying cheap credit, the rest of us have noticed that we don’t actually own our country anymore. Whilst you’ve been enjoying hot tubs, 4x4’s, gas fired BBQ’s, nail studios, the hairdressers and trying to keep up with the Beckhams, the Magna Carta has been torn to shreds and thrown away. Whilst little Tyson has been riding around on his Argos 27.9% APR financed BMX, 900 years of British History has been shat on.
Ever wondered why you don’t have a villa in Tuscany? Ever wondered why everyone else takes holidays in the Caribbean whilst you go to Menorca?
It’s because you are thick and lazy. And along came a Party that told you being thick and lazy was no good reason for you NOT to have what they had.
You stupid, stupid cnuts. Guess where Tony Blair is now? Do you think he is drawing the curtains on his two bed terraced house, full with M&S trinkets, to hide from the postman? Like you are? Do you think he wakes at 5am, shitting it that the bailiffs will be there at 11 to take away his new Nissan?
Cut to the chase. You’re up to your f***ing eyes in it. £20K, £30K on the plastic? Tax credits aren’t going to help pay that are they? Overtime’s going to be cut because there’s a recession coming. Oooppps. That’s what been paying the minimum due every month, isn’t it? Whilst you’ve been buying sovereign rings, Tag Heuers and Tescos Finest to impress your parents, the party that promised you a shot at being loaded without doing anything has f***ed it all up. And guess who is going to pay?
I know your parents were hard up. I know you grew up with f**k all. I know your parents couldn’t give a s*** about getting you through school properly. They were too busy wife swapping or down the bingo or social. I know you laughed at your teachers.
Guess what?
You’re f***ed. Totally, properly f***ed. You are going to lose your houses, cars, plasmas, koi carp and Nikes. Think your parents were hard up? Just f***ing wait six months. You will KNOW what a diet of pasta and ketchup tastes like. No more Dominoes Pizza in front of the Simpsons on Sky, no more Tandooris. Get your fat, lazy arses in the kitchen and f***ing cook something. Your kids will hate you as their PS3’s head over to Cash Converters, your wife will hate you as you trade in her Louis Vuitton handbag and you will hate yourself when you take a carrier bag out to the car to clear the glove compartment as the bailiff waits.
I hate all 9 million of you. I wish you all the plagues of hell. I want to see the four horsemen of the apocalypse in your Next furnished living room.
In your greedy, petty little pursuit of free “stuff” you allowed MY country, MY rights and MY life to be turned over by a bunch of f***ing snake oil salesman.
I hope it costs you everything, you shites. I can handle 9 million suicides, and frankly with no major wars, there’s no other way we’ll get rid of you cnuts. |
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| Itchy wrote: | Yup , as it would mean a 1/4 oil price spike , though there is of course some correlation in the USD getting stronger and the oil price.. |
Close to 1/8. In 2002 the monthly average varied from US$1.42257 = £1 to US$1.5863 = £1, which is about your "Apocalypse territory". We are still well up on the average since 1995 (oldest figures I can find).
| Itchy wrote: | Its the knock on effects though that are important, ie oil + energy prices go up , we are less competitive (can Uk coal compete with chinese miners who die in their 1000s?) , = job cuts |
Not so sure. UK is uncompetitive partly due to the over valued £, but the international price of oil, or what we pay for it, is irrelevant for buying something, making it then exporting it. The less we pay our own workforce (in external currencies) then the more competitive we are with exports, and that is effectively what a falling pound means.
For a simple example, say a car costs £10000 and £1000 of that is the energy in building in, with the product being sold at cost price at US$2 = £1 (easy maths). Now say the value of the pound drops by 25%, so now costs about 1/3 extra in energy to build. The car sold at cost price for US$20000 can now sell for the same but that now equates to £13333 rather than £10000. Knock off the extra fuel cost and there is still £3k of extra income / room for a price drop to price the items more competitively.
| Itchy wrote: | Yesterday's bail out is a tad iffy though in that it effectively increases USD supply and thus may mean it goes the other way... |
Very iffy, although not sure what choice they had. Let them fail and their financial system goes into meltdown. Keep them afloat and they might have a chance to sort the situation out. Similar to (but on a far larger scale than) the Northern Rock fiasco. In that situation I do think the government did the right thing by stepping in to ensure the bank didn't collapse, but also think that those with shares, etc, in the bank should not be protected from loosing all their investments.
Personally I largely agree with the idea of the market setting the levels of things. However the market has proven to be very easily manipulated in the short term. Not sure how to prevent that, but bailing out those responsible seems the wrong thing to do.
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