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PostPosted: 14:39 - 09 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Have I got this right: infection rates are well up - Omicron certainly isn't going to help - but hospital admissions are up but to a lesser extent and deaths are way down Thinking


So, apart from 'fictional' Christmas parties in number 10, what is the primary difference between this year and last year? oh... wait... vaccinations!


That's likely true, but I'd be interested to know how dangerous the Omigod variant is even without. Hey, maybe I'll find out first hand! Laughing
If flu or pneumonia don't get me first Laughing

Are there yet ANY reports of death or serious illness from this variant? I can't find a damn thing on it. I know we need to wait another week or two to know just how serious it is, but you'd think there'd be something by now, if only anecdotal.
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PostPosted: 14:43 - 09 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Just let people catch it, the more the better if vaccines are doing their stuff. Herd immunity and all that.


High rate of communicability and limited NHS resources...


Communicability isn't a problem if serious treatment isn't needed. Hearing some promising things about new anti-viral treatments too. We are no way in the same state we were in the early days of this thing, when we had very little to combat it with. I think things are generally looking quite positive Smile (famous last words Laughing ).
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PostPosted: 14:48 - 09 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
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a hostile news media which sees itself, wrongly, as the voice of the people.


There is one media channel which actually reads out comments from ordinary folk, but it's "far right" and so they're all conspiracy theory loonies of course, despite having a variety of views - some even support vaccines and the government measures! Shocked Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:05 - 09 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Are there yet ANY reports of death or serious illness from this variant? I can't find a damn thing on it. I know we need to wait another week or two to know just how serious it is, but you'd think there'd be something by now, if only anecdotal.


The jury isn't in yet. There needs to be a reasonable sample base before any objective measurement can be made. Let's hope that it's milder than the previous variants. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:09 - 09 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Are there yet ANY reports of death or serious illness from this variant? I can't find a damn thing on it. I know we need to wait another week or two to know just how serious it is, but you'd think there'd be something by now, if only anecdotal.


I've heard different things. Hospitalisations are up in Southern Africa, but I've not found any reports of any deaths from Omicron yet, which could be good news. What that might mean is there is a MORE transmissible variant that is less deadly, which would hopefully become the dominant variant. One of the big reasons for the mutation is that it has absorbed some elements of human virus DNA from a cell that was ALSO infected by another virus.

The theory is it could either be the common cold or HIV, but it matters not which, what it means (as far as I can tell) that the virus is now a human virus. The fact it was a novel virus to humans was one of the reasons why it was said to be so dangerous in the beginning. Now, I'm not a virology expert but could it be possible that the virus becoming a human virus means our immune systems can deal with it more effectively? Could that therefore mean that the Omicron variant is actually a positive thing? I have no idea but it's definitely an interesting theory, right?

A lot of virologists early in 2020 were saying that the trajectory of Covid might be to become more and more transmissible and less and less Deadly until it becomes a background disease like the common cold. Deadliness is not good for transmissibility, as if you're dead you can't really pass it on... So viruses generally survive better when they *aren't* deadly - but the 2 week incubation period for Covid is the spanner in that little work unfortunately.
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PostPosted: 15:12 - 09 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
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High rate of communicability and limited NHS resources...


Communicability isn't a problem if serious treatment isn't needed. Hearing some promising things about new anti-viral treatments too. We are no way in the same state we were in the early days of this thing, when we had very little to combat it with. I think things are generally looking quite positive Smile (famous last words Laughing ).


We've learned a lot about treatments and the vaccines are making a huge difference. The fact that the experts are warning of potential NHS resource issues is a bit worrying though. That might indicate the anecdotal evidence you referred to in your other post. Let's hope not though.
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PostPosted: 15:23 - 09 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
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doggone is going to have to deliver something really special to up the ante Laughing


Will this do, genital necrosis - your bits shrivel up, go gangrenous and presumably drop off if you are lucky Laughing

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34839563/
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 09 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
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We've learned a lot about treatments and the vaccines are making a huge difference. The fact that the experts are warning of potential NHS resource issues is a bit worrying though. That might indicate the anecdotal evidence you referred to in your other post. Let's hope not though.


But what are they basing those worries on? Confused
And the NHS is in crisis Covid or not, has been for years.
I really dislike this fear of the future. We know there will always be dangers to face in life, but you do what you can to mitigate risks WITHIN REASON, and get on with life. I don't see the point in everyone walking around as if they're about to be hit by a bomb. If you can't live life because of measures taken to combat something, why live at all?

And I'll just say here, if they MANDATE vaccines, I'll refuse on principle, although currently I would probably get vaccinated if I thought I was at especial risk. Come and get me motherfuckers!

But perhaps we're all a bit to blame for this fear thing, and it's time to stop this endless discussion?
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PostPosted: 15:55 - 09 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
doggone wrote:
Ribenapigeon wrote:
doggone is going to have to deliver something really special to up the ante Laughing


Will this do, genital necrosis - your bits shrivel up, go gangrenous and presumably drop off if you are lucky Laughing

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34839563/


I'll try anything once Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:45 - 09 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
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And I'll just say here, if they MANDATE vaccines, I'll refuse on principle, although currently I would probably get vaccinated if I thought I was at especial risk. Come and get me motherfuckers!


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PostPosted: 16:50 - 09 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
chickenstrip wrote:
Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
a hostile news media which sees itself, wrongly, as the voice of the people.


There is one media channel which actually reads out comments from ordinary folk, but it's "far right" and so they're all conspiracy theory loonies of course, despite having a variety of views - some even support vaccines and the government measures! Shocked Laughing

You can speak its name, we won’t judge. Laughing

I watched a bit last night. Nigel Farage was presenting. The comments from the public are short and not exactly testing. There is also more of the same ‘ask a journalist’ stuff when I was hoping the channel would be asking searching (but not “gotcha!”) questions of public figures. I reckon Andrew Neil left because he’d hoped for the same, and was disappointed. It did seem a bit more open-minded though (than Keunssberg, for example).
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PostPosted: 16:59 - 09 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
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So why are we (governments and WHO) so worried about it then? I honestly don't understand unless there is more than they aren't telling us.

A recent work meeting reminded me that often the supposed decision makers will prevaricate by saying they need more data. It’s an excuse and data-gathering becomes an end in itself. All the indications are that the Omicron variant is “mild”. Let’s go with that.
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PostPosted: 17:01 - 09 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
doggone wrote:
Ribenapigeon wrote:
doggone is going to have to deliver something really special to up the ante Laughing


Will this do, genital necrosis - your bits shrivel up, go gangrenous and presumably drop off if you are lucky Laughing

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34839563/


It's a tiny part of the immensely small thrombosis risk. In fact make that vanishingly small.

It looks like the AZ team may have found the mechanism so it might not be a vanishingly small risk for much longer anyway.

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doggone wrote:
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doggone is going to have to deliver something really special to up the ante Laughing


Will this do, genital necrosis

Winner.

The at-risk groups don’t have much use for those anyway. Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:09 - 09 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
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So why are we (governments and WHO) so worried about it then? I honestly don't understand unless there is more than they aren't telling us.

A recent work meeting reminded me that often the supposed decision makers will prevaricate by saying they need more data. It’s an excuse and data-gathering becomes an end in itself. All the indications are that the Omicron variant is “mild”. Let’s go with that.


Happy to, once the actual rather than anecdotal data is in.
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Happy to, once the actual rather than anecdotal data is in.

Or the other side of the coin, let’s not impose Plan B when there’s no data to suggest it’s necessary.
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Or the other side of the coin, let’s not impose Plan B when there’s no data to suggest it’s necessary.


A minimum sample size is necessary for scientific study, and there is such a thing as pragmatism.
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and there is such a thing as pragmatism.

Indeed. I’d like to see more of it.
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There is one media channel which actually reads out comments from ordinary folk, but it's "far right" and so they're all conspiracy theory loonies of course, despite having a variety of views - some even support vaccines and the government measures! Shocked Laughing

You can speak its name, we won’t judge. Laughing


Wouldn't want to melt any delicate little snowflakes Laughing

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I watched a bit last night. Nigel Farage was presenting. The comments from the public are short and not exactly testing. There is also more of the same ‘ask a journalist’ stuff when I was hoping the channel would be asking searching (but not “gotcha!”) questions of public figures. I reckon Andrew Neil left because he’d hoped for the same, and was disappointed. It did seem a bit more open-minded though (than Keunssberg, for example).


Yes, it's a shame Andrew Neil left. I understand why, and it isn't perfect by any means, but there are some interesting points made I think, points that are avoided by others when they may be of significance. It makes me think of Brexit. If you don't know what people are really thinking but just push what you think they should be, you'll continue to be in for shocks. GB News often surpasses the viewing figures of BBC news, and it's still only a baby!
And now I've done it - mentioned two things guaranteed to melt whole icecaps! Laughing
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It's okay, I only get my news from 'socialist worker'


You spelt "wanker" wrong Wink Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:49 - 09 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Communicability isn't a problem if serious treatment isn't needed. Hearing some promising things about new anti-viral treatments too. We are no way in the same state we were in the early days of this thing, when we had very little to combat it with. I think things are generally looking quite positive Smile (famous last words Laughing ).


Yeah this is where I'm also faltering a bit with the advice, if it's less of an issue / less serious then why the paranoia. Unless they don't know, in which case why state they do?

For me personally nothing really changes, my behaviour is not variant dependent and until winter naffs off my preferred place is in front of the woodburner with a decent glass of something alcoholic. No need to work from home this time, i've my own server room with its own A/C unit so i'm quite safely isolated from dirty bastits whilst still being 'out' and about.

The fact Bozo and most of the Tories in general can't resist behaving like complete and utter bellends doesn't help their case for folk doing what they are asked. Mind you, even as it is Labour still can't seem to make a better party ( no change there then).

So it's suck it and see for the most part. And unsurprisingly decided to sack off the bike show at the NEC for another year.
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and there is such a thing as pragmatism.

Indeed. I’d like to see more of it.


You did with plan B. Pragmatism in the absence of confirmed data. Thumbs Up
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You did with plan B. Pragmatism in the absence of confirmed data. Thumbs Up

I think you’ve got it back to front. There was no indication that Omicron was more harmful but they brought in extra restrictions anyway.
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You did with plan B. Pragmatism in the absence of confirmed data. Thumbs Up


Except it strikes me more as panic.
It's not the mask wearing that bothers me (not that I think it achieves much and I do think it has a negative impact in society - you know, that thing we're all trying to perfect by saying as often as possible that we care about everyone...if they agree with us...), but the Covid passports and talk of mandatory vaccination. I want to see the government completely rule out at least the latter in no uncertain terms, and I'm very uncomfortable about the former, even though thus far it hasn't affected me.
Still, barring government overreach for political reasons, I'm fairly confident we've got this thing licked (no Nobby, nothing to see here Laughing ).
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