Forced to go cold turkey in prison

Mister James · I want to believe! Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Karma :

As someone who deals with incarcerated people every day, both criminal and merely immigration-related, I have to say that both Siggi and Froggeh are talking a lot of sense.

I identify totally with those who decry this payment as a betrayal of the law abiding population, and those who want punishment to be harsh and unyielding, but the reality is that society has to accept these people back into the fold once their time is up, and as someone once said "the way a society treats its vulnerable members is a reflection of its social health and conscience." For all the malice and unpleasantness of their crimes, prisoners are often intensely vulnerable people, and having had their freedom taken away, measures are required to protect THEM as well as us. There are countless stories that one hears about people finding themselves in prison having once led blameless Guardian-reading lives, so if nothing else, just wonder how you would want an acquaintance of yours to be treated if they ever sunk to that level.

"Do unto others...." and all that.

There is also the enforcement aspect of it. Treating people like cack 24/7 is fine if you have them all imprisoned on a penal planet in another galaxy, but not so smart for establishments on Earth which have to be run by fellow humans. I cannot even begin to calculate the extra manpower that would be required to keep a lid on UK prisons even if you just took away Playstations and TV's from Enhanced cons. Anyone who says that prisoners should get a big portion of Fuck-All has obviously never worked dishing out HM's pleasure, and should be first in the queue to volunteer to help out if they think it's that easy!

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Liam_ · World Chat Champion Joined: 26 Jul 2005 Karma :

well their you have it folks, crime pays.
next time i'm skint i'll mug a granny for some cash, do some time, pretend to go cold turkey, walk out cash in hand. sweet Thumbs Up

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phantomtek · Lil Joe Tek Joined: 20 May 2005 Karma :

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Clanger · Stirrer Joined: 27 May 2004 Karma :

And then these poor sods have to go cold turkey by law...

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/15112006/344/council-ban-cigarette-breaks.html

its truly a fukked up system isnt it?
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LondonBiker · Renault 5 Driver Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Karma :

Is this a joke?

I need to get the fck out of here...

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Liam_ · World Chat Champion Joined: 26 Jul 2005 Karma :

"The inmates have taken over the asylum, head for the exits."
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froggeh · World Chat Champion Joined: 20 Jul 2006 Karma :

I'm voting for Stick for the wittiest comeback of the year award so far... Razz

(sorry Stick - it had to be said)

steveh · World Chat Champion Joined: 24 Aug 2004 Karma :

dish out a load of syringes to all the druggies, tell them its heroin and watch them kill them selfs by lethal injection.

seriosly why would anyone pay someone for doing somthing illegal in prison whilst being in there for somthing more illegal or possibly the very same.

some people need to be taken out and shot.
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froggeh · World Chat Champion Joined: 20 Jul 2006 Karma :

Steve_k · Nova Slayer Joined: 18 Aug 2006 Karma :

When the prisons become a deterent then crime will drop they should work a 12 hour day for nothing 6 days a week until they have done thier time no time off for good behavior just time added for bad behavior. The uk is going through a massive problem with landfill and recycling why not get the prisoners sorting the rubish out instead of playing pool and looking for ways to get compensation out of the rest of us. The moto for the new scheme could be The crap sorting the crap.
When a criminal has done a couple of years hard labour he might just think about it before he comits more crimes.
The current softly softly system is not working.

Steve_k · Nova Slayer Joined: 18 Aug 2006 Karma :

We have already created an army of monsters thats why crime is up so much that the prisons are full, the criminals are not bothered if they get a sentence in the soft prison system. If the criminals were frightend of going back to prison then prison would be a deterent until then prison does not work.

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Steve_k · Nova Slayer Joined: 18 Aug 2006 Karma :

So whats the answer Siggi the current system is not working the criminals are just laughing at the police courts and sentencing and the law abiding people are suffering is the answer just take the law into our own hands.

Steve_k · Nova Slayer Joined: 18 Aug 2006 Karma :

Yes we are over taxed we all dont comit crimes so its not tax.
Working conditions are better now than ever most of the repeat offenders dont work so working conditions dont effect them so its not working conditions.
We all have bills to pay so we budget our money to pay our bills not everyone who gets a gas bill use this as an excuse to comit crimes so its not the bills.
Some people are so scared they wont go out at night due to the criminals they lock themselves in the house on a night is this the way these people should live?

Every criminal has a choice the victim does not so why should the criminal have it easy in prison?

If there was a genuine deterent they would stop comiting crime at the moment prison is not.

So Siggy what should we do about the ever increaseing crime?

Steve_k · Nova Slayer Joined: 18 Aug 2006 Karma :

The guys in prison are criminals not people who stand up for themselves

Burglary, mugging, robbery, car theft etc are not standing up against the system they are crimes against the public not the goverment.

Most peole work and save for the things they want in life these criminals just take they dont care who they are taking from so why do people defend them when they get locked up if they dont want to work good on them dont work but dont take things from other people who have worked hard for.

This criminals think they have the right to comit crime and not be punished they think they should be nursed through life because they have it hard but what about the victims of their crimes surely they have it harder. The criminal has a choice they picked crime it was their choice nobody elses.

Steve_k · Nova Slayer Joined: 18 Aug 2006 Karma :

No I dont please explain.

Saudi Arabia the punishment for theft is your hand cut off this is a bit harsh but the open markets have gold on show and its not stolen why is this?

Its called a real deterent.

When schools had the cane pupils had respect for the teachers now no cane no respect.

See the comon link to stop crime you need a deterent.

The uk has been soft on criminals for to long and the figure show it does not work.

Its time to try something different.

Steve_k · Nova Slayer Joined: 18 Aug 2006 Karma :

So a deprived criminal who does not want to work to buy a nice bike has seen a nice bike like yours or mine parked up outside a factory, office or shop its ok for him to steal it while the owner is working in the building just because the owner has got on with his life and is doing better than the criminal.

If some poor deprived criminal stole your bike and you caught him you would let him keep it give him your last bit of money and your mobile phone so he wasnt deprived bless your all heart.