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| CaNsA wrote: | | staffy50 wrote: | an innocuous search for twin flex wire on amazon |
So last month when I was searching for some decent wire to build my vaping mech mod, ordered it then jumped on to the TOR network to grab some magnet links....
What time can I expect my backdoors to be smashed in?
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Paranoia man...you must be hiding something 
You're assuming that they think you've done enough to be considered a risk. But I think it would take more than a few purchases of items that could be used for nefarious purposes before you got the rear entrance treatment I'm beginning to suspect you crave 
Sorry, still not convinced.
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| chris-red wrote: | | chickenstrip wrote: |
I understand what you're saying, but if it could be shown to be absolutely necessary... |
It's called a Warrant |
Look, just explain to me what exactly you're afraid of if such powers are introduced; and none of this 'principles' bullshit. My views aren't set in stone, so come on, convince me it's not needed, or it will in some way harm me if it is introduced? I quite accept that I might be missing something, I'm not infallible y'know
You say "that isn't the point" - what are you saying the point is?
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We have a human right to privacy, a quick think to the sorts of places that do not/did not have these freedoms leads will give you such pleasant places to live as USSR, North Korea, China, places where the state can/could do what they wanted for whatever reason. Can you think of a place where the state/police can invade your life as much as they see fit that is a pleasant place to live? Sorry I didn't clarify I thought it was obviously TBH.
Think of the requirement of a warrant to be a check on the fuzz.
e.g. Dave shacks up with Jane. Jane's ex John, is a copper. John doesn't like this so decides to get his mates to raid Dave's house, many just to irritate him maybe just to plant something and fuck his life up. But if they have to go to a judge first the judge would fuck them off.
I know having unlimited access to our internet records isn't the same as police kicking down doors as and when they feel like it, but (and I hate using this word because it is bandied about by morons.) fascism/totalitarian has to start somewhere, it is also a LOT easier to lose Freedoms than reclaim them, look at all the rules America smashed through on the back of 9/11, now that saga is dead and buried have any been reverted?
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| chickenstrip wrote: | will in some way harm me if it is introduced? |
It's very unlikely to harm you.
However, in the unlikely event that you get into a Failbook spat with some slag and she accuses you of having a struggle-cuddle with her, or of being a nonce, then Dibble will have access to every site that your ISP says that you have visited in the previous year.
Let me stress carefully that they'll look at what your ISP says, and they will look only for the purposes of finding incriminating rather than exculpatory evidence.
They won't care if it was you browsing, or someone else in your household, or if someone has l0lh4xxx3d your wifi - and it does still happen, my inlaws just got hijacked.
They won't care if the information is even remotely correct - say you've moved house during that year - or if they've just been given some other random punter's logs because of ISP incompetence.
Then if they find anything even remotely whiffy in those logs (which may have nothing to do with you) then your door gets put in and at a minimum, even if there's no prosecution, every piece of electronic equipment in your home gets seized and that's the last you see of it in a working form, and you're labelled as a rape-paedo.
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. But add some malice and it can get lol-worthy really fast.
Again: the accusation and interest is unlikely, but if it happens, it's likely that something will be found that can be used to mess up your life.
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A list of domains visited will suffice.
Please upload the list to https://www.pastebin.com and ensure it is viewable by the public. |
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How has she not been shot yet?
She's one of the lizard people and, therefore, is surrounded by her own personal forcefield!
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So if we look at the reasons given for wanting this new legislation, they're not sufficient to justify it? Is there a point that is likely to be reached that would? Just prodding the discussion 
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So in summary, if you've tainted your browser history say by clicking on an innocently titled thread called "Last post wins" on a motorcycle website then you could go straight to prison. 
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| mpd72 wrote: | They only get to see the parent domain of the website, not what page you were viewing.
Unless you don't want people seeing that you frequently visit www.midgetsshagginganimals.com , why does this matter? |
That's a separate issue. Animal porn and other porn considered "extreme" by the government is illegal and considered similarly to child pornography.
| staffy50 wrote: | If all this just stops one terrorist attack would it be worth it? Or helps the police convict a paedo so he stops hurting children?
I can see the benefit. My biggest worry would be how the ISP keeps this data safe. Without clarification on that its a big worry. |
They're not really interested in the paedos, it's just a pretext. If paedos were the concern they wouldn't have totally ignored all that abuse in places like Rotherham. This about getting more power for the intelligence services and police as demanded by Sir Humphrey.
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Look, just explain to me what exactly you're afraid of if such powers are introduced; and none of this 'principles' bullshit. My views aren't set in stone, so come on, convince me it's not needed, or it will in some way harm me if it is introduced? I quite accept that I might be missing something, I'm not infallible y'know
You say "that isn't the point" - what are you saying the point is? |
You're taking this law in isolation and ignoring the wider intelligence picture in which the government is acquiring ever more draconian powers. Each time they want just a little bit more of your privacy, and for you to just weaken a few more of your rights.
It's a rights issue, of course. But it's also playing with fire in a much more serious ways. These ARE the tools of a totalitarian police state. Theresa May isn't the same as Hitler, but this does put all the sorts of tools in place that a person like Hitler would want at their disposal, and that's a very risky thing to do. It also leaves the door wide open for blackmail. OK, but is the domain name, but it'll be full web address next, and various other types of metadata, and so the temptation to blackmail will increase.
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So you don't know if the police would just have a domain name to search? Or just an IP?
Does sound like it would be in breach of the much loved Human Rights..
Any search which is not done lawfully will be in breach of Article 8 of the Human Rights Act which protects a suspect’s right to respect for his private and family life.
Lawfully requiring a warrant. |
Yeah right! The Human Rights acts are hardly worth the toilet paper they were excreted on, they're absolutely riddled with exemptions.
There shall be no interference by a public authority with the exercise of this right except such as is in accordance with the law and is necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security, public safety or the economic well-being of the country, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.
Protection of morals eh? Could get a pretty wide coach as many horses as you like through that.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/42/schedule/1/part/I/chapter/7 |
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| CaNsA wrote: | I think that those who are in favour of, or have no problem with, the snoopers charter should create a thread in random banter.
Each person should:-
Post their location every hour.
Upload their browsing history at the end of each day.
Post the contents of all text messages and emails.
Upload recordings of all incoming and outgoing phonecalls. |
My location is known by my phone service provider.
My ISP knows my browsing history
My phone provider know the contents of my text messages.
We could go on. If my name was Mohamed and I was suddenly buying a ton of fertiliser and taking flying lessons, I should imagine the powers that be would suddenly become interested in my home and Internet use, just as they already do.
Being a middle aged bloke posting on BCF, I doubt they can be arsed to put the time or effort into researching what parts I bought online for the Campervan conversion this week.
It's hardly Big Brother comrade. Lay off the midget porn and all will be good.
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