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Brexit fraud state is going to the top now:
Cressida Dick was asked to investigate Mrs May's £1 billion purchase of 10 DUP MPs on 18 Sept 2017. Someone in the Met actually appears to have blocked that bribery investigation
https://dupbribe.org.uk/assets/pdf/progress/letter_to_commissioner_on_bribery.pdf
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Where have I lied?
You keep on desperately, obsessively trying to find any means to invalidate a democratic vote which went against you in your adopted country. Let's just think about that for a moment.... Not good, is it?
This still wouldn't be a reason to invalidate the vote, though it would mean a fine. Interestingly the Electoral Commission's report on 'Details of major campaign spending during the EU referendum' which had shown Remain legally spending £7 million more than Leave even without accounting for the government's £9 million pro-EU leafleting campaign, is no longer available to view. If anyone can find the source data (not a newspaper report) elsewhere that would be good but it seems odd. An inconvenient truth, perhaps?
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Let's suppose I agree with you and Remain is referred to police too.
How two wrongs make one right?
In all cases the referendum is invalid because it was based on cheating and electoral crimes.
Any other election would have been declared invalid. The only legal reason EU2016 is not anulled is because it is advisory hence not a subject to stringent laws for normal elections and binding referendums.
How is that fair or democratic? Regardless how you voted ro what are the reasons for that vote surely you can't support elections based on fraud.
FYI I was always selected as a stopper playing referee during all socker games in the hood. The reason was I always support fair play and rules even when against my own team.
Fair play was the fact I always liked for UK even 30 years ago when it was not my adopted country.
HTH
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Make of that what you want? It was kicked out by the Hight Court. |
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Make of that what you want? It was kicked out by the Hight Court. |
The complainant, Professor Joshua Silver of the University of Oxford Physics Department is another one who seeks any old means to stop Brexit. He cares less about whether or not this was bribery, it's just another excuse. Also check out his Andrew Neil interview after he accused Amber Rudd of "hate speech" for saying British jobs for British workers. |
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Your side lost.
Get over yourself. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Look into the history of the US commerce clause, and its effect on increasing the power of the US federal government, to the detriment of state governments.
The EU common market is going through similar pressures. Regulation is required in order to increase the amount of trade. If you don't agree inter-state standards, then states may end up with beggar-thy-neighbour policies. For example, one country might decide to lower labour standards, or environmental standards, and due to cheap labour or polluting industry, grab a larger share of the market in some sector. The result is that other states either similarly lower their standards in a race to the bottom, or they enact trade barriers and tariffs to compensate for the foreign competition. The end result is that reducing tariffs and barriers to trade requires internationally agreed standards.
(This is why people who blame the EU for red tape are utter fools. The whole shebang cannot possibly work without red tape. The point is to work within the system, and change the kind of tape - outside the system, you're in a much smaller market with far higher barriers to trade, and overcoming those barriers will mean more red tape, red tape you don't have any say in. Utter fools - no other word for the idiots.)
The EU is a standard-producing and standard-enforcing organization. For as long as it has stuck strictly to technical items, it works pretty well. But two flies in the ointment: (a) beggar-thy-neighbour policies aren't restricted to technical regulations, but also some areas that people feel like their government should have the ultimitate say on; and (b) the explicit intent of the EU, ever since it was a European Community, is to integrate such that war would be so economically painful as to be inconceivable.
Because of (b), the EU, in its DNA, doesn't feel restricted in enforcing standards deeper into member states' policies, and because of (a), it has reason to do so, it risks pissing some people off.
Climate change, and the resulting famine in Syria (drought from 2006 to 2011), resulting in civil war and waves of immigrants (also not helped by 9/11 etc.), has caused the EU to try the same technocratic approach to the immigration crisis. Unfortunately, people aren't as willing to accept regulations enforcing immigration as they are in enforcing motorcycle gear safety standards (CE means certified for EU).
This has resulted in a different kind of crisis: a split in populations across Europe, in different proportions, between those who self-identify as European, as part of a pan-EU polis, and those who still think in nationalist terms, in some cases actually reverting to nationalism they had lost for a long time.
(Brexit is English nationalism, not British nationalism. Latent English nationalism from the slow decay of the British empire is emerging, and its lack of a political outlet is in part what drove Brexit. English people who identify as British (as opposed to English) are by and large pro-EU, while Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish people who identify as British are by and large anti-EU. These are fundamental growing cracks in the United Kingdom, and won't be solved by Brexit, because they are caused by English nationalism and disintegration of empire.)
Geopolitically, Putin, and increasingly Trump, are leveraging the split in the European polis to weaken the EU. The EU is nothing militarily, but is a superpower in trade and regulation. Russia is using its hard power to expose EU weakness on the eastern front, and propaganda to encourage political weakness inside the EU. Meanwhile, America is having an identity crisis coming to terms with being second place to China economically, and is increasingly turning to hard power - the one big lever they have left - to try and shore up their economic position. Trump won't be the last big-mouth saber-rattler to occupy the White House. I suspect he will win re-election, and I further suspect he will be succeeded (possibly after a break of 4 or 8 years) by someone much more sinister, who saw how Trump leveraged US voter fear into power. Trump is too old.
Thus Brexit is Britain casting off its moorings and heading out into hostile waters, just when the EU is under attack, the US is not a friend, and all its previous Empire possessions are focused on rising powers, not declining powers like Britain. Australia and New Zealand will be focused on the East - they know what's important to them. Canada will be focused on the US. And the US will be focused on itself, and antagonistic to both China and EU.
Hard to tell how the EU resolves itself. One of the best unifying things that can happen for a movement or a country is a common enemy (bin Laden knew exactly what he was doing when he provoked the US, he was creating future recruits). EU solidarity has been increased by Brexit, and especially by cack-handed attempts by the British to divide the rest of the EU. Brexit is a clear and present danger to Ireland, a hostile act by an unfriendly nation. But Britain isn't a long-term villain, as soon as the British people recognize their situation, their minds will gradually change - the US is not a friendlier port than the EU, and in fact is an increasingly foreign country to Western European values.
Russia, US, China - these are in all probability future EU enemies. Geopolitically and economically, it's hard to see otherwise. The US as a global cop, with moral superiority - those days are over. The US is just as cynically self-interested as everyone else. We'll see how the EU reacts. One thing for sure: if it splits further, it'll be picked off by the other big players.
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Riejufixing wrote: | barrkel wrote: | Climate change, and the resulting famine in Syria (drought from 2006 to 2011), resulting in civil war and... |
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https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/is-a-lack-of-water-to-blame-for-the-conflict-in-syria-72513729/
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/03/science/earth/study-links-syria-conflict-to-drought-caused-by-climate-change.html
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/12/understanding-syria-from-pre-civil-war-to-post-assad/281989/
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 5 years, 216 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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