What sort of Brexit do you want?

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...because in the real world 52% of those who voted did so a certain way.

...here more than 52% of those who voted did so in a certain way.
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[barrkel]

I don't really care why leave voters voted leave, because Brexit is all things to all men - a vote for Brexit is a vote for an unspecified destination. It's a vote against the status quo, but it's not a vote for anything.

The reality is that a no deal Brexit would decimate (literally lop off 10% of) the UK economy. There are linkages built up over decades with other EU countries at every level, people, companies, goods, services, that would all be broken overnight.

For some things, like food, the shock would be severe enough for prices to spike and trigger major shifts in what the British public gets to eat from their supermarket. Britain imports most of its food. There's no soft way to change that in a hard Brexit.

Tariffs, the things that customs union avoid, and that WTO rules put limits on, put a slight to moderate increase on prices, and a large increase in paperwork, but they're manageable. Tariffs are a bit of a red herring though. Elimination of non-tariff barriers to trade is how the common market was constructed.

Without regulations, goods and services can't flow easily between countries. Different countries have different environmental standards, safety standards, health inspections, industrial aid policies, worker protection policies, etc. If they all trade freely, there's a race to the bottom due to a beggar-thy-neighbour effect. If country A is able to make widget W more cheaply by abusing its employees or polluting its rivers, then country B will be forced to either cede market share for widget W or lower its standards too. Since voters don't want to be poorer, everybody is gradually forced to reduce standards across the board, a negative sum game.

These regulations are the things that "free market" Brexiteers want to get rid of. The red tape they want to tear up is exactly the red tape that is required in order to avoid a race to the bottom. You need central rules with a central court and central enforcement mechanisms to enable free trade without beggaring thy neighbour. Simple game theory. Countries generally try to protect themselves from this effect with rules and regulations that products must meet before they are allowed into the market, and trade in services is sometimes simply not legal - qualifications in licensed areas aren't recognized.

Cut off the basis for free trade, and guess what: trade will decline. This will mean that prices will rise, in some cases substantially, and many products and services sold by Britain will no longer be competitive, and British companies will contract, and some will close. Employees in specialized industries may no longer be able to work in the same industry again, and may need to take up worse paying jobs doing something else.

No deal would be a major restructuring of the economy. There would be enormous dislocation effects, most especially for manual labour, both skilled and unskilled. Products and services will become more expensive due to higher costs of inputs and reduced choice, with less international competition. Britain as a whole would be substantially poorer, just as every day the pound declines, it wipes billions off of British people's property wealth. And monetary devaluation will probably continue apace, reducing people's real wages and assets, in an effort to keep the country afloat in global seas.

And in a no deal scenario, it won't be the end of Brexit. Negotations for trade deals will continue for decades, trying to replace what leaving the EU destroyed. Patching up relations with the rest of the EU won't be easy because the UK will have walked away from its obligations. It's very possible that the EU could take the UK government to court, in UK courts, to claim payment of UK obligations under EU budgets agreed while the UK was a member. One way or another, that money will get paid, deal or no deal.

And let's not forget about the UK itself. The UK will most likely split up - Scotland support for independence is surging, and there's an emerging majority in NI preferring a united Ireland to a no-deal Brexit, even faster than the demographic change.
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[CBFcarl]

I try to stay out of talking politics because, like religion, everyone has an opinion that means more than yours. However....

I voted remain. I think that as a nation we didn't have enough say in what was decided within Brussels, but I thought that the way to deal with that was to stay in the party and try to change it that way. I think that, for the majority, we would have been stronger as part of the European Union. I didn't believe all of the bobbins that the money saved not being in the EU would mean £350 million back to the NHS everyday (or what have you)....

Anyway, the people voted and the majority that voted, voted to leave. Fair enough.

I would still vote for Remain, and I would honestly like to see what the results would be if we were to hold another referendum tomorrow. That doesn't make me a screaming remoaner (nice name, btw), it just means that I wonder how many people have changed their minds with a lot of information (from both sides) that has come to light.
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[panrider_uk]

So no change then.

Which of the current crop of career politicians do you think would have the backbone to stand up for us (and not their own self-interest)?
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[RhynoCZ]

No ''Norway model'' type of solution? I am surprised.
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