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You realise that you are describing Milton Keynes, don't you!
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But - a river is a massive asset. Why does London not have flat bottomed ferries running up and down the river? |
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Six River Bus routes run from 22 piers between Putney and Woolwich.
River Bus services run from early morning until late evening and the River Bus Express is a dedicated service running before and after events at the O2 in North Greenwich.
River Bus services are operated by MBNA Thames Clippers. TfL manages the piers and licenses river passenger services. To contact TfL, phone: 0343 222 1234 (TfL call charges) or email river@tfl.gov.uk.
MBNA Thames Clippers offer a fast and frequent service with departures from major London piers every 20 minutes, other routes vary so please check routes and timetables before you travel.
All River Bus boats are covered and most boats also have a small outside deck area. There are on-board bars serving hot and cold drinks, snacks and refreshments, and most boats have accessible toilets.
MBNA Thames Clippers boats are all wheelchair accessible and ramps are used to board the boat. All piers offer step-free access, except Cadogan Pier, Wandsworth Riverside Quarter Pier and London Bridge City Pier. A maximum of four wheelchairs and a further three folding wheelchairs can be accommodated on larger boats. Passengers with mobility scooters need to enter MBNA Thames Clippers Mobility Scooter Recognition Scheme to bring their mobility scooters on board.
Bikes are allowed on board and there are ten spaces available on larger boats - these are offered on a first come, first served basis. Dogs can also travel on River Bus services but must be kept on a lead. |
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Easy Mdma - you are in danger of describing on of my 'Caroline Lucas' green modes of transport. The Thames corridor will see more and more river transport as we use fewer cars....
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| Diggs wrote: | Easy Mdma - you are in danger of describing on of my 'Caroline Lucas' green modes of transport. The Thames corridor will see more and more river transport as we use fewer cars.... |
How is an old heavy diesel oil river boat green? You do come out with some nonsense at times.
Even your mates at The Guardian think boats are killing kittens.
| Quote: | Staggeringly, if a report by the UK’s Guardian newspaper is to be believed. According to their story, just one of the world’s largest container ships can emit about as much pollution as 50 million cars. Further, the 15 largest ships in the world emit as much nitrogen oxide and sulphur oxide as the world’s 760 million cars.
The problem isn’t necessarily with the ships’ 109,000-horsepower engines that endlessly spin away 24 hours a day, 280 days a year. In fact, these powerplants are some of the most fuel efficient units in the world. The real issue lies with the heavy fuel oil the ships run on and the almost complete lack of regulations applied to the giant exhaust stacks of these container ships. |
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The diesel ones will be replaced by sail on wider waterways and coasts, with horse-drawn on canals, like we used to have before the internal combustion engine.
Nice decision to misunderstand and subsequent Google though.....
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We used to before steam, but had to pick times and direction according to the tide. Remember, London was the busiest port in the world for centuries...
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| Diggs wrote: | The diesel ones will be replaced by sail on wider waterways and coasts, with horse-drawn on canals, like we used to have before the internal combustion engine.
Nice decision to misunderstand and subsequent Google though..... |
More nonsense. We've already covered how horses pollute more than a car.
Sailing up the Thames is a great idea, if only there was no tide, guaranteed wind, bridges high enough for the masts to clear and enough space to yaw without hitting other traffic, in order to sail against the wind. Unfortunately, it's about as sensible an idea as all your other Liberal Utopia nonsense. 
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| mpd72 CPT wrote: | | Diggs wrote: | The diesel ones will be replaced by sail on wider waterways and coasts, with horse-drawn on canals, like we used to have before the internal combustion engine.
Nice decision to misunderstand and subsequent Google though..... |
More nonsense. We've already covered how horses pollute more than a car.
Sailing up the Thames is a great idea, if only there was no tide, guaranteed wind, bridges high enough for the masts to clear and enough space to yaw without hitting other traffic, in order to sail against the wind. Unfortunately, it's about as sensible an idea as all your other Liberal Utopia nonsense. |
Yawn.
Look at how people did it for millenia before you jump in with your uneducated nonsense. Ships to the docks, boats up river. Some bridges will have to go, but we won't need them like we do at the moment because there won't be the road traffic.
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John Snow, obviously we will have to spend billions to make most of them navigable again, but we will do so because we don't have a choice.
We started doing this for leisure purposes using the old Derelict Land Grant regime in the 1980s and early 1990s, and we did open up miles of canals.
To understand what I am saying without going off on one as usual, all you need to do is look at how we transported goods before the internal combustion engine. Steam, sail and horses. How do you think iron and steel got to Kent for example? Or bricks to Yorkshire? Most of the heavy stuff was transported along canals and rivers to ports, then sailed around the coast to ports, then back along rivers and canals to the point of use.
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| Posted: 14:21 - 23 Dec 2018 Post subject: |
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| mpd72 CPT wrote: | | Fourte wrote: |
But - a river is a massive asset. Why does London not have flat bottomed ferries running up and down the river? |
It does.
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/river/about-river-bus
| Quote: | About River Bus
Six River Bus routes run from 22 piers between Putney and Woolwich.
River Bus services run from early morning until late evening and the River Bus Express is a dedicated service running before and after events at the O2 in North Greenwich.
River Bus services are operated by MBNA Thames Clippers. TfL manages the piers and licenses river passenger services. To contact TfL, phone: 0343 222 1234 (TfL call charges) or email river@tfl.gov.uk.
MBNA Thames Clippers offer a fast and frequent service with departures from major London piers every 20 minutes, other routes vary so please check routes and timetables before you travel.
All River Bus boats are covered and most boats also have a small outside deck area. There are on-board bars serving hot and cold drinks, snacks and refreshments, and most boats have accessible toilets.
MBNA Thames Clippers boats are all wheelchair accessible and ramps are used to board the boat. All piers offer step-free access, except Cadogan Pier, Wandsworth Riverside Quarter Pier and London Bridge City Pier. A maximum of four wheelchairs and a further three folding wheelchairs can be accommodated on larger boats. Passengers with mobility scooters need to enter MBNA Thames Clippers Mobility Scooter Recognition Scheme to bring their mobility scooters on board.
Bikes are allowed on board and there are ten spaces available on larger boats - these are offered on a first come, first served basis. Dogs can also travel on River Bus services but must be kept on a lead. |
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| Diggs wrote: | John Snow, obviously we will have to spend billions to make most of them navigable again, but we will do so because we don't have a choice.
We started doing this for leisure purposes using the old Derelict Land Grant regime in the 1980s and early 1990s, and we did open up miles of canals.
To understand what I am saying without going off on one as usual, all you need to do is look at how we transported goods before the internal combustion engine. Steam, sail and horses. How do you think iron and steel got to Kent for example? Or bricks to Yorkshire? Most of the heavy stuff was transported along canals and rivers to ports, then sailed around the coast to ports, then back along rivers and canals to the point of use. |
As much as you'd like evolution to be reversed, it's pure fantasy on your behalf.
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Until you can come up with a more realistic scenario for transporting heavy goods in the future, your opinion isn't really much use.
Please, without repeating that 'big business' will save the day, how would you transport bricks from Birmingham to Glasgow without a waggon? Before you say 'by train', bear in mind that our population is too big to use land for biofuel because we need it all for basic foodstuffs.
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| Diggs wrote: | Until you can come up with a more realistic scenario for transporting heavy goods in the future, your opinion isn't really much use. |
Alcohol, methane, electricity, biofuel, fuel cell, nuclear, hydrogen, to name a few.
Of as you want to dream of, Caroline Lucas on horse back and horse drawn canal boats.
The difference here is my opinion isn't just pure green lefty fantasy.
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Other than nuclear, they all need land for growing. Given that we will need it all to feed ourselves because there are too many people living on out little island, where will this land be found?
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| Diggs wrote: | Other than nuclear, they all need land for growing. Given that we will need it all to feed ourselves because there are too many people living on out little island, where will this land be found? |
What, like "growing" hydrogen, electricity and fuel cells?
What do you think horses eat?
You've not really engaged your brain before typing here again have you?
Your idea for saving the planet involved using an animal which emits more emissions than a car, carries less, is slower and less powerful and needs more agricultural land to grow it's fuel.
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Not sure if you are argumentative or a bit thick....
Probably a bit of both.
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| Diggs wrote: | Not sure if you are argumentative or a bit thick....
Probably a bit of both. |
What for constantly highlighting why your comments are all complete bollocks?
“Parts of Wales” (it was a map of England ffs), “horses don’t need fuel”, “you can sail everywhere with massive container ships” , “you grow electricity and hydrogen”, “horses produce less emissions than cars”
You quote your opinion from your position of complete ignorance, as fact, when every single time, you’re wrong.
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