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| MCN wrote: | She'd still geddit though.
Just sayin'. |
Warped individual. Now, if we were talking Ms Patel.....
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| Im-a-Ridah wrote: | | bhinso wrote: | OK , point taken. According to the independent fact checking charity:
"Mr Starmer was head of the CPS when the decision was made not to prosecute Savile but he was not the reviewing lawyer for the case. An official investigation commissioned later by Starmer criticised both prosecutors and police for their handling of the allegations." |
Keir is the sort of person to keep his own hands clean and let others take the hit. |
...as opposed to who in politics? 
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| Diggs wrote: | | Im-a-Ridah wrote: |
Keir is the sort of person to keep his own hands clean and let others take the hit. |
...as opposed to who in politics? |
I still want to see what he can/will do with the Labour Party. If he can turn it into an effective opposition with reasonable policies, I'd forgive him a fair bit, as I think this country desperately needs 'proper' politics right now, rather than character assassinations and the politics of personality, this despite my backing the Tories at present because I want a government that will stick up for the UK in the post-Brexit negotiations.
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Yes, I've thought he looks promising. Early days yet. We'll see. I'm more hopeful than I have been with some. Performance at the dispatch box is one thing, how he can get his party in order will be another.
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I'm surprised they let you in in the first place 
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I have a bit more hope than that, I think most people are turned off by both extremes. But they're quiet, in the way they were quiet over Brexit, until voting time came, because on social media and MSM, they'd be harangued by these vocal lunatics who seem to drown everyone out with their screeching.
And feck me, I open my book tonight to carry on reading where I left off, and the chapter begins with this quote:
"You should never believe a Vietnamese. He's not like you. He's an Asiatic. The Vietnamese of today has seen too much dishonesty, too much manoeuvring, and he doesn't believe in anything anymore. He automatically thinks he's got to camouflage himself. He doesn't dare tell the truth anymore because too often it brings him unhappiness. What's the point of telling the truth?"
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July 23 1965
It ought to be shocking to say it, but sounds familiar!
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| chickenstrip wrote: | I have a bit more hope than that, I think most people are turned off by both extremes. But they're quiet, in the way they were quiet over Brexit, until voting time came, because on social media and MSM, they'd be harangued by these vocal lunatics who seem to drown everyone out with their screeching.
And feck me, I open my book tonight to carry on reading where I left off, and the chapter begins with this quote:
"You should never believe a Vietnamese. He's not like you. He's an Asiatic. The Vietnamese of today has seen too much dishonesty, too much manoeuvring, and he doesn't believe in anything anymore. He automatically thinks he's got to camouflage himself. He doesn't dare tell the truth anymore because too often it brings him unhappiness. What's the point of telling the truth?"
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The bit before the phrase you highlighted... He automatically thinks he's got to camouflage himself.
Is very profound.
I usually don't bother talking politics except on here or to wifie but a few months ago was at a friends house who's wife is German and she had some friends over from Germany. One said he couldn't understand how we could be so stupid leaving the EU. I responded with I voted too leave cause I didn't want to be part of the EU.
Stupid stupid me. I was harangued by all the Germans. I tried to put my point of view forward but they either couldn't understand it or thought I must be a blithering idiot who needed to be shouted down. And these were not stupid neo nazis or left wing SJW's, just normal intelligent people.
If nothing else it reinforced my belief that I don't do politics or religion in public so I can totally empathise with that statement.
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When going into a discussion if one doesn't attempt to examine the other point of view then I'm afraid...
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von Stauffenberg!
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She can't understand why you would want to leave an organisation whose aim is to take power and centralise it in an anti-democratic organisation, behind closed doors, which also happens to be quite corrupt and sees listening to the population as a bad thing? An organisation who gets its fingers in as many pies as possible, while also being a specialist in failure to the point that most things including the term "Euro" are associated with a massive disaster/screw up? Sounds like she is the stupid one. |
I agree, but I refrain from calling them stupid. For one thing, Germany and its people get an awful lot out of the EU. We get a fair bit from it too, but it's just that some of us feel the trade-off is not beneficial enough for us, damaging in the long term in fact.
It is not working closely with the rest of Europe that concerns me. It is this institution of the EU, which I see as you have described it. And even without the cronyism, I don't think it is wise to base a relationship purely on economics, with everything else adjusted to fit around that. This may be an era of technology, but tech. fails to address some of the fundamental things about the human condition, nor should we expect it to ever be able to. It's a large part of the reason for unrest and confusion today imo. Once again, with the EU's approach, we throw the baby out with the bath water.
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As I have said all along, if the EU had been willing to allow a few small compromises - in our case border controls - We would never have left but the whole system that allows the EU to think it can ignore member states opinions was their downfall in our case. |
I agree with this. Trouble was, increased border control was never going to be something the EU would agree to because it goes against the very essence of membership. I do wonder however if in hindsight, the EU wishes it had given a bit when Cameron made his half-arsed attempt to renegotiate the terms?
I can't imagine our COVID19 management failures and images of MaccyD containers full of poo endear us the Europe at the moment, so perhaps not?
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| Diggs wrote: | I do wonder however if in hindsight, the EU wishes it had given a bit when Cameron made his half-arsed attempt to renegotiate the terms? |
They couldn't. We don't want the same things.
| Quote: | I can't imagine our riots, COVID19 management failures and images of MaccyD containers full of poo endear us the Europe at the moment, so perhaps not? |
But we've left. Why should everything we do be calculated to endear us to an EU that the majority of UK voters said they wanted to leave? 
Besides, I haven't seen any MaccyD containers full of poo...perhaps you should reconsider what kind of places you like to hang out 
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I don't think anything we do publicly is calculated to endear us to Europe at the moment. As far as the electorate is concerned we'll go our own sweet way... The negotiations are taking place out of sight, and it is here that we will be endearing, as will the EU. We have to be to make progress.
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| Diggs wrote: | The negotiations are taking place out of sight, and it is here that we will be endearing, as will the EU. We have to be to make progress. |
Endearing? Really?!
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