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| Kawasaki Jimbo wrote: | | chickenstrip wrote: | Some MSM sources and even that all-knowledgable Dr. Fauci are starting to suggest that the virus may have originated from some lab in a place called Wuhan in China!
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He’s basically said <sigh> let’s have the investigation you all so desperately hope will prove the Chinese made a bio-weapon. The CIA claims three Chinese staff went to hospital in November 2019 but they don’t say why. Seems like a convenient and surprisingly belated observation. |
Yeah, I know. It's basically more to do with the political wars currently going on.
Me, I don't really care, short of if it were an actual deliberately released bio-weapon, which of course I don't believe. Fact is, we've got it to deal with.
Not that you could trust the Chinese authorities to allow a truly unfettered investigation if the suspicion were strong enough.
The only other thing I would ask is, what was the evidence that this came from other than a lab? Presumably, given the pushback against the lab leak idea, it is absolutely proven? Due to the stupidly political slants from various sources, it's hard to follow to a definite conclusion. What was the evidence you saw reported that absolutely convinced you this wasn't a lab leak thing? My mind is still open on it all, as I don't think I've seen absolute evidence for one theory or another.
Oh, and what Fauci actually said now was that he had not ruled out the lab leak hypothesis, not at all what you're suggesting he said Jimbo, though he may think it less likely still.
It's also not the first time sick Wuhan lab staff have been mentioned - this was claimed by others some months ago.
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| chickenstrip wrote: | Yeah, I know. It's basically more to do with the political wars currently going on.
Me, I don't really care, short of if it were an actual deliberately released bio-weapon, which of course I don't believe. Fact is, we've got it to deal with.
Not that you could trust the Chinese authorities to allow a truly unfettered investigation if the suspicion were strong enough.
The only other thing I would ask is, what was the evidence that this came from other than a lab? Presumably, given the pushback against the lab leak idea, it is absolutely proven? Due to the stupidly political slants from various sources, it's hard to follow to a definite conclusion. What was the evidence you saw reported that absolutely convinced you this wasn't a lab leak thing? My mind is still open on it all, as I don't think I've seen absolute evidence for one theory or another.
Oh, and what Fauci actually said now was that he had not ruled out the lab leak hypothesis, not at all what you're suggesting he said Jimbo, though he may think it less likely still.
It's also not the first time sick Wuhan lab staff have been mentioned - this was claimed by others some months ago. |
Oh come on, you’ve edited your post to add paragraphs 2 and 3 several hours afterwards just to stir it. Your question is, “What evidence do you have that my wholly imaginary suggestion isn’t true?” I regard it pretty much as Fauci probably regards the Wuhan lab suggestion; it’s not up to me to prove your imaginings are true, but if you insist let’s have the enquiry and we can scrutinise any actual evidence you believe you have. |
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No, that's not what Fauci is saying. He is saying that he has not ruled out the lab leak hypothesis. That is what he has actually said. That would also be my position.
| Kawasaki Jimbo wrote: | I regard it pretty much as Fauci probably regards... |
Mmmmkay... 
Look, we can disagree about what we think, but neither of us can say we know for 100% certain what the origin of this virus is. Are you saying it definitely didn't get leaked from a lab, 100% without any doubt whatsoever? I can't understand how you could be so certain if so. I certainly haven't seen anything that resolves the question completely, have you?
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| Kawasaki Jimbo wrote: | Oh come on, you’ve edited your post to add paragraphs 2 and 3 several hours afterwards just to stir it. |
What a peculiar statement. It's not as if I changed it after anyone had replied to my points  I edited it to ask you something that I thought about later. If you had already replied, then I would have written a new post. Since nobody had, and we didn't have lots of other posts meanwhile, what difference does it make? What a thing to get upset over.
EDIT: (what, again?! )
Anyway, perhaps I am trying to stir something up - like a conversation. How criminal of me
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Mask obviously work at reducing virus transmission.
Any barrier works.
There might be some grounds in any argument that determines how effective a mask is.
Breathing through a respirator that can prevent virus particles passing from one side to the other may be considered 100% effective.
Coughing freely into to the surrounding air 0% effective.
Coughing into an elbow a bit more effective than coughing into the air.
I'd say that wearing a mask is a good intervention.
But that is pointless if other additional safeguarding such as hand hygiene and social distancing rules are ignored.
The Swiss Cheese Model sort of applies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_cheese_model
Layered systems are better than no system and permutations of that and so on....
It's a bit like protection from malaria (One of the worlds biggest causes of death from disease.)
Avoid areas where Anopheles mosquitoes spread malaria parasites.
Use prophylactic drugs.
Use treated nets and screens.
Use insect repellent, that are proven to work against mosquitoes.
Find out how mosquitoes pass on malaria and avoid being out unprotected at times mosquitoes are active.
Make sure you have access to medical care if you feel unwell and suspect malaria symptoms. (About a day or two after infection and feels like the baddest flu ever.)
Or ride bare back and dance with the devil.
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I'd say that wearing a mask in crowded places is a good intervention. |
FTFY.
What saddens me is when I see people, especially older folk, wearing them when out and about and not around others. Fear factor gone too far.
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| chickenstrip wrote: | | MCN wrote: |
I'd say that wearing a mask in crowded places is a good intervention. |
FTFY.
What saddens me is when I see people, especially older folk, wearing them when out and about and not around others. Fear factor gone too far. |
Regardless of age, I don't think it's a fear factor in most cases, I think it's just simple, well, ignorance is too strong a word, but you get the point, they just don't know the basics of transmission. To be fair, it's better they're erring on the side of caution than just fucking it off altogether. I wear one in work, but my work are generally not the smartest nor the most sanitary (and that's coming from the old school dirty hairy biker). I don't wear one around town unless I'm in a building. That said, I'm only really in town with my missus or daughter when they're assaulting my wallet. Yeah, they're are going to be some that are neurotic, but we had hypochondriacs and neurotics before C19, it's not new, and most are not like that.
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Of course it's always useful when you're up to the nefarious too, and don't want to be identified, so it has that positive side to it I suppose 
What, that's just me?
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Sometimes that's just expediency. I do it if I'm in town doing messages irrespective of social distancing (in my car for example) - it's easier and more hygienic to keep it on rather than the faff of removing, carrying and refitting. |
A gag would be better in your case 
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| chickenstrip wrote: | No, that's not what Fauci is saying. He is saying that he has not ruled out the lab leak hypothesis. That is what he has actually said. That would also be my position.
| Kawasaki Jimbo wrote: | I regard it pretty much as Fauci probably regards... |
Mmmmkay...
Look, we can disagree about what we think, but neither of us can say we know for 100% certain what the origin of this virus is. Are you saying it definitely didn't get leaked from a lab, 100% without any doubt whatsoever? I can't understand how you could be so certain if so. I certainly haven't seen anything that resolves the question completely, have you?
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The issue does raise quite a few questions.
1) Did Fauci have suspicions much earlier and sat on them because he wasn't keen on his former overlord, or was it for some other reason?
2) Is there any significance to Fauci releasing his new public opinion at this time?
3)If it turns out that somehow someone can prove that this was from a lab, either deliberately or accidentally, is anything going to be done about it? The international community has done a fairly shitty job at kicking the Russians for their poisoning habits, it's unlikely that there is going to be much more than tutting over the Belarussians playing reroute the plane game, I can't see much happening in the way of international restrictions at the Palestinians and Israelis lobbing rockets at each others citizenry, so what hope is there that the world is going to sanction it's one-stop supply store?
I read that China has just exceeded Germany's numbers for UK imports, so are you all going to stop buying shit from Amazon, Etsy, etc as a sign of disapproval that you've all been shut in for the last 18 months, or however long it is?
4) If accidental, what kind of sanction/etc is appropriate towards a country for a lab with an employee that had a bit of an off day back in 2019?
5) Possibly the biggie question: It's a bit late closing the stable door after the horse has bolted so just what measures should we be taking next time the Chinese tell us they might have shut down a town because the ungrateful inhabitants are holding too many funerals? Or will we just revert to goldfish mode because Capitalism is our answer to everything?
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The issue does raise quite a few questions. |
And probably many more in addition to the ones you have noted.
I think it will confirm a need to be much more circumspect about the Chinese authorities overall, if confirmation were needed.
Again, it depends on what you believe from various media outlets, but there seemed to be a trend, along with the rising dependancy on trade with China, to just accept whatever else came along with it. My opinion is that the world needs to move away from this and grow a much stiffer spine when it comes to dealing with them, and not just in words. For one thing, a more united front internationally would be nice to see.
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Sorry, I don't share your gimpy ball gag kink |
Gonna have to replace your telescope with a mirror. Get ready for the shock of your miserable life
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Let's just come straight out with it: masks are "comfort blankets" for adults.
Out in the Real World™ - now all the oldsters and vulnerable have been jabbed - most people are just wearing them in shops out of politeness. I've yet to see the political component the Americans have attached... maybe I need to get out more
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If Tesco didn't insist, I wouldn't wear a mask in there. Somewhere more confined I might, although tbh, I haven't had a proper mask throughout but have been using my bike neck tube pulled up.
Good hygiene practice hopefully will have improved generally among the population through this mess, but in the end, you can't force it on people.
I really am hoping we will have to worry about this stuff less soon, as the vaccines are taken up further. They seem to be holding up well to the various mutations that come up if the information we get is correct. Then let it be a personal choice thing on masks. No need to stop a general campaign of promoting good hygiene though, ever really.
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