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krarkol
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Pretty much all Muslims are pro-Palestine.

So if they want "justice" why are the Muslim countries not helping?

Pretty much enforces the view that they are leaving it to fester so more people have time to become anti-Israel
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Pretty much all Muslims are pro-Palestine.

So if they want "justice" why are the Muslim countries not helping?

Pretty much enforces the view that they are leaving it to fester so more people have time to become anti-Israel


Possibly because Israel is "untouchable". If any nation, muslim or not, did anything that was deemed to upset the Israeli government by helping the Palestinians, they would feel the wrath of the USA and all the puppet nations within its control, Britain included.
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PostPosted: 11:53 - 20 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
This pretty much sums it all up.

https://news.sky.com/story/1304322/we-fight-back-minister-defends-gaza-offensive
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PostPosted: 11:53 - 20 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Dave70 wrote:


Possibly because Israel is "untouchable". If any nation, muslim or not, did anything that was deemed to upset the Israeli government by helping the Palestinians, they would feel the wrath of the USA and all the puppet nations within its control, Britain included.


Not that it bothers them from attacking the West anyway Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 20 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
krarkol wrote:

Not that it bothers them from attacking the West anyway Laughing


I can't recall any middle eastern nation as such, attacking the west, unless you include possibly Libya with regards the Lockerbie situation but, that's another argument.

If any Middle eastern country dared to attack "Amaericas baby" Israel, what do you think the consequences would be for them, seriously?
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The USA are the biggest problem facing world peace. There is a reason why America is described as 'the Great Satan' & it has all to do with their policy on intervention.
Check out some of the shit they've been up to since 1890...
https://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/interventions.html

Israel are the second biggest problem. Here's their shit...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_operations_conducted_by_the_Israel_Defense_Forces

Israel are allowed to have a secret undisclosed nuclear weapons program. Have had for years. Nobody seems to give a damn... Iran, on the other hand gets sanctioned to fuck for attempting the same. Why? Because the west trusts Israel - a manufactured country with a fucking chip shop on its shoulder whose entire ruling elite were/are terrorists & who are doing their very best to de-stabilise an historically contentious region. Take the two top 'axis of evil' countries, Iran & North Korea & compare their lists of military interventions with Uncle Sam & Israel. I know who my money's on to start world war three...
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dan_flash wrote:

No. That's a terrible argument.

No. It's a brilliant, perfect and absolutely flawless argument.

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Aye, that's what the BBC and the Guardian said. You know, those pesky anti-Semitic Liberal softy faggot establishments. You going all softy faggot Liberal on us now, big man?


Liberal being grossly homophobic. Noted for future reference.

The Liberals are not a pro-gay party, they have very few gays, or women, or ethnic minorities themselves. Quite the opposite in fact they actually sexually abuse the few women they do have.

krarkol wrote:
Pretty much all Muslims are pro-Palestine.

So if they want "justice" why are the Muslim countries not helping?

Pretty much enforces the view that they are leaving it to fester so more people have time to become anti-Israel


That's exactly what they are doing. The leaders of the Saudi etc are also more interested in the profit than the prophet.

Dave70 wrote:

If any Middle eastern country dared to attack "Amaericas baby" Israel, what do you think the consequences would be for them, seriously?


Israel doesn't need outside help, it has nukes.

The American protected states in the ME are Saudi etc, all terrified of Iran.
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PostPosted: 18:38 - 20 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Im-a-Ridah wrote:


Israel doesn't need outside help, it has nukes.

The American protected states in the ME are Saudi etc, all terrified of Iran.


Once again hugely uninformed, it seems.

Israel is the second-highest recipient of US 'foreign aid' in the world. - Linky. That's probably why they appear so capable of defending themselves.

Interesting to see Afghanistan is by far the highest current recipient of US aid. There are no doubt strategic and political reasons for that too.

How is Saudi protected?
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Bunny Lingus wrote:
Iran, on the other hand gets sanctioned to fuck for attempting [to nuke up].

Partially. Mostly for selling oil in currencies other than dollah. That's what got Saddam 'regime changed' all the way to the gallows.

Lord Percy wrote:
How is Saudi protected?

Take dollah for oil, so gravy.
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PostPosted: 19:19 - 20 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:


Lord Percy wrote:
How is Saudi protected?

Take dollah for oil, so gravy.


Yeah I was thinking that. Although it's odd how they never have any fishy goings on, such that the US conveniently decides it's time to show them some democracy.
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More deaths on both sides:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/israel-begins-heaviest-bombardment-yet-in-gaza-sending-residents-fleeing/2014/07/20/578ae882-0fe5-11e4-8c9a-923ecc0c7d23_story.html
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The Liberals are not a pro-gay party, they have very few gays, or women, or ethnic minorities themselves. Quite the opposite in fact they actually sexually abuse the few women they do have.



Laughing

That's because they're 'new' Liberals. In the old days & with the exception of that fine figure of Liberalism, Cyril Smith, your average Liberal had two men in their lives: the KGB agent they were getting fucked by & the MI5 agent who made sure no one could blackmail them.
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It's all our fault.
If we'd not brokered the deal in '46 none of this would be happening.

The Jewish peoples would be busy running Wall Street, et al, and the Palestinians would be killing themselves in a Christian/Muslim war. Rolling Eyes
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Im-a-Ridah wrote:
The Liberals are not a pro-gay party, they have very few gays, or women, or ethnic minorities themselves. Quite the opposite in fact they actually sexually abuse the few women they do have.

I'm not sure that you're right about Liberals not being pro-gay.
Whilst a few of the so-called male heterosexual members of The Lib-Dems have allegedly sexually molested some of the pseudo-female members of The Lib-Dem party (or whatever they have chosen to call themselves this week), a rather significant number of them do seem to have a propensity to have cocks shoved up their arses and/or to have rent-boys piss all over them.
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Will the Muslims be going back to the ME too? Thinking

Also, many Jews are from the Middle East originally. It's intellectually dishonest to just look back the last 50 years and declare who is entitled to live where, since the actual history goes back a lot further. Here's a quote from Wiki for you:

The notion of the "Land of Israel", known in Hebrew as Eretz Yisrael, has been important and sacred to the Jewish people since Biblical times. According to the Torah, God promised the land to the three Patriarchs of the Jewish people.[38][39] On the basis of scripture, the period of the three Patriarchs has been placed somewhere in the early 2nd millennium BCE,[40] and the first Kingdom of Israel was established around the 11th century BCE. Subsequent Israelite kingdoms and states ruled intermittently over the next four hundred years, and are known from various extra-biblical sources.[41][42][43][44] The northern Kingdom of Israel, as well as Philistine city-states, fell in 722 BCE, though the southern Kingdom of Judah and several Phoenician city-states continued their existence as the region came under Assyrian rule. With the emergence of Babylonians, Judah was eventually conquered as well in the year 586 BCE.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel#Antiquity


I'm fully aware of the history of the levant

The truth is that Judaism died out in Palestine, it was Zionism with backing from the west to deal with it's own anti-semitism that pushed European Jews back into Palestine with disastrous results.

Strangely enough it was Brits who responsible for the area that saw the problems developing and tried to pull it back but pressure from the US ensured the re introduction of the State of Israel and the resulting genocide.

Muslims are in the middle east no ones carved out a chunk of Sussex and allocated it as a Muslim home land.
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Raffles wrote:
Im-a-Ridah wrote:
The Liberals are not a pro-gay party, they have very few gays, or women, or ethnic minorities themselves. Quite the opposite in fact they actually sexually abuse the few women they do have.

I'm not sure that you're right about Liberals not being pro-gay.
Whilst a few of the so-called male heterosexual members of The Lib-Dems have allegedly sexually molested some of the pseudo-female members of The Lib-Dem party (or whatever they have chosen to call themselves this week), a rather significant number of them do seem to have a propensity to have cocks shoved up their arses and/or to have rent-boys piss all over them.


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Bloke is visiting London & walks into a antiques shop in Soho.
He notices a small bronze statue of a rat.
He asks the owner 'how much', and the owner replies '£50 for the bronze rat & £1000 for the story behind it.'
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As he's walking down the street he notices two live rats following him. As he continues to walk, more rats start following him.
He starts to get a little concerned & heads for the Thames. By the time he gets there there are thousands & thousands of rats following him.
He runs onto Westminster bridge & throws the bronze rat into the river, the rats all follow & leap off the bridge and drown.
The bloke rushes back to the shop. The owner says, 'Ah! You're back for the story.'
The guys says, 'No, I was wondering if you have any bronze Liberals?'

Three way Lib abuse, c'mon, boxes o' Liberal abuse, three for a pahnd guvnor Laughing
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Im-a-Ridah wrote:
This round of hostilities seems to have begun when Palestinians captured innocent civilians and murdered them, so I'd say the Palestinians was the instigators.
So some people in a country kidnap some foreign nationals and killed them and that justifies full military action Thinking Why aren't we bombing Kenya, Thailand and Australia to name but a few on that basis? You can't blame and attack a population based on the actions of a few individuals.

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You complain about ground invasion (more precise targeting) and complain about aerial bombardment. You can't have it both ways. If you don't want Israel going in then is Hamas going to voluntarily kill their own leaders and destroy their own arms? Nope, thought not.
Sending in a load of noisy and trigger happy tanks is not going to provide more precise targetting - quite the opposite - it will cause any Hamas in the area to flee if they haven't already. Aerial bombardment would be better if it was based on half-decent intelligence, but with Mossad at the reins thats not likely to be considered important. Again - Palestinian casualty figures show this - unless various schools and civilian neighbourhoods just happened to be packed with infant-hamas over the last decade or so Thinking

If Israel wanted to kill Hamas leaders it would likely just further destabalise the area as with Syria, and I don't have much doubt they could if they really wanted with their previous un-confirmed record for assassinations - They'd rather use it as an excuse to claim more and more land and irradicate Palestine and its population. When the IRA bombed the UK - did we go and bomb Ireland and send in heavily armed tanks and troops on an active offensive? Okay so it wasn't much better or innocent - but even the UK wouldn't take it that far Laughing

But hey - its the middle east right Rolling Eyes
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Aerial bombardment would be better if it was based on half-decent intelligence, but with Mossad at the reins thats not likely to be considered important. Again - Palestinian casualty figures show this - unless various schools and civilian neighbourhoods just happened to be packed with infant-hamas over the last decade or so Thinking


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The point I was making was on various occasions if they'd of gathered intelligence properly/operated with some consideration, it would of clearly shown they were about to also drop their munitions on a load of civilians along with the alleged hamas site - but they don't care and drop it regardless.
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The way I see it is, if you went and hit some guy in the face and he was twice your height and width would you cry that it's unfair if he hit you with all his strength?

He's defending himself from you randomly hitting him for no reason, he's got every right to use all he's got as he doesn't know what you plan on doing.

It's not a sport like Boxing where you are evenly matched, it's war where the strongest side wins.

Anglo-Zulu war, guys with guns vs guys with spears and leather shields. Not exactly a fair fight but it's war.
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krarkol wrote:
The way I see it is, if you went and hit some guy in the face and he was twice your height and width would you cry that it's unfair if he hit you with all his strength?

He's defending himself from you randomly hitting him for no reason, he's got every right to use all he's got as he doesn't know what you plan on doing.
You could easily turn that analogy around and say Hamas/those firing the rockets are retaliating against the larger bully with the few weak options they have as defence.

I'm not saying I support the rocket attacks by any means, regardless of who and where they're coming from - but its doing a lot less damage per rocket than every extra wall/land grab/and IDF mission does, even when they have far more capabilities to gather intelligence and specifically target/use IDF commando raids to pin point attack sites if required.

That is when the commandos aren't busy illegally boarding aid ships and executing the passengers Whistle
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krarkol wrote:
The way I see it is, if you went and hit some guy in the face and he was twice your height and width would you cry that it's unfair if he hit you with all his strength?

He's defending himself from you randomly hitting him for no reason, he's got every right to use all he's got as he doesn't know what you plan on doing.

It's not a sport like Boxing where you are evenly matched, it's war where the strongest side wins.

Anglo-Zulu war, guys with guns vs guys with spears and leather shields. Not exactly a fair fight but it's war.


But the Hamas are not striking Israel for no reason. While I am not a supporter of Hamas by any means, I do support the Palestinian people. The actions of Israel towards them since its creation, is beyond words. I don't think any nation would sit back and allow themselves to be treated in such a manner without resisting. As I see it, it is really down to Israel to make the peace (for reasons that have gone on too long and are too numerous to go into here).

Maybe then, organisations like Hamas can be dealt with. As it currently stands though, Hamas gain more support by the day and will continue to do so as long as Israel keeps acting like it has been towards the Palestinians.
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3 ceasefires. 2 of which Hamas declined or ignored. The other Israel used as an opportunity to send in ground troops, which has got to be better than firing rockets that probably have the accuracy to land in a dustbin.

The Palestinian people would probably be fine if it wasn't for Hamas "fighting for their cause" the way I see it, Hamas aren't too far from the Taliban. Going into another country and fighting some bullshit cause they believe in. In my opinion it's all a front as everyone knows Muslims despise Jews.

Many moons ago, pretty much all that was Jewish land anyway. They were oppressed from their own land.

They are now crammed into an area where everyone surrounding them pretty much hates them.
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I'm not saying I support the rocket attacks by any means, regardless of who and where they're coming from - but its doing a lot less damage per rocket than every extra wall/land grab/and IDF mission does, even when they have far more capabilities to gather intelligence and specifically target/use IDF commando raids to pin point attack sites if required.
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They hide behind the civilians, specifically women and children knowing that they'll have support from other countries due to the "murdering Israeli's"

2008/09, Hamas fired a rocket from a school and also had weapons stashed there. Israel destroy it and it comes across as being brutal murderers.

Could say the same about us really, Germany bombed the hell out of us. We bombed them a lot harder and probably killed more civilians in the process. But people seem to forget that because we won...

I know a lot of pro-Palestinian people are saying it's unfair because Israel have anti-rocket defence systems.

Back to the punching someone scenario. If you threw a punch at me and I managed to block it, I'd still be entitled to hit you back. The way to prevent it is for you not to throw a punch in the first place.
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That is when the commandos aren't busy illegally boarding aid ships and executing the passengers Whistle


Oh yeah, the ones that were peacefully armed with these..

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Flickr_-_Israel_Defense_Forces_-_Weaponry_Used_by_Passengers_Aboard_the_Mavi_Marmara_%282%29.jpg/1024px-Flickr_-_Israel_Defense_Forces_-_Weaponry_Used_by_Passengers_Aboard_the_Mavi_Marmara_%282%29.jpg

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But the Hamas are not striking Israel for no reason. While I am not a supporter of Hamas by any means, I do support the Palestinian people. The actions of Israel towards them since its creation, is beyond words. I don't think any nation would sit back and allow themselves to be treated in such a manner without resisting. As I see it, it is really down to Israel to make the peace (for reasons that have gone on too long and are too numerous to go into here).


Read up on the 'land for peace' deals in the last 10 years as a retreat back to the 1967 borders. We have tried... and tried. And tried again. If they just stopped the rocket attacks it would all finish. Everything Israel has done has been as a retaliation to these attacks, the regular and horrific suicide bombings and the general martyrdom in their aggravating actions to kill civilians within Israel over the years.

krarkol wrote:
3 ceasefires. 2 of which Hamas declined or ignored... In my opinion it's all a front as everyone knows Muslims despise Jews.

They are now crammed into an area where everyone surrounding them pretty much hates them.


Thank you for seeing the reality here.

This video sums up your point here.


Also, not sure if any of you actually know that Hamas have been firing rockets into Israel regularly for the past few years. It's not a new thing.
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