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I had a Thundercat as my first bike as I loved them when I was younger. Got a 2003 ZX6R now, and while it's a great bike and I enjoy riding it, it's not quite a bike from my youth like the early blades, VFR, Zx9r etc.
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Don't see those in the US these days, Suzuki bought them back owing to the frame cracking issues. Mate went through 3 frames before he was paid off & used the money to buy a new GoldWing.
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Apart from the fact that bikes get ever more expensive |
You're not getting away with dismissing this so easily!
Bikes are becoming the prerogative of the few. Since biking is largely a leisure pursuit anyway, and one with a limited following at that, it'll likely promote their demise sooner than otherwise. With all the hoops one has to jump through to ride them, ever tightening emissions regulations and all the rest, who'd get into motorcycling now? It is becoming an ever more exclusive club.
And the last few years have seen it propped up by our lot - those who have done well by the times we lived through, inheritances from our parents and so forth. It's not looking like that's set to continue.
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You really have at least 2 separate demarcations for bike ownership, the toy and the commute. Both are getting hit. The commute in cities from push bikes and electric assist bikes. The toys because they are expensive and don't interest many coming through now.
It used to be cheap and easy to get into bikes and get some decent machinery for not too much. Now the only relative cheapy is insurance when compared to a car if you are young.
Whether it's the same abroad for bikes as toys I don't know but Harley's demographic is climbing into the coffin as we speak, they must be worried as hell
Edited to add - The cheapest Goldwing is over £26000 (the most expensive nearly £30000 ) The Ducati Pinigale from £20000 to £34000.
OK, these are top of the range bikes but people can't afford this sort of money for toys until much later in life. I could have bought a top of the range Triumph Trident or Norton Commado on tick with no problems on my wages at 20 years old. ____________________ Triumph Trophy Launch Edition |
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Enduro Numpty wrote: | The expense of bikes these days is horrendous. It's the same with cars. I don't have an answer for this but my point was that the tech is, for the most part, a good thing. I certainly wouldn't go back to the hinged in the middle frames, shite brakes and elastic chains of yesteryear. |
Some of the tech is good, I guess. And no, we absolutely don't want a return to the evil-handling stuff of yesteryear. Although part of me is strangely glad I got to experience it
But if you have great handling, great brakes with good feel, great tyres etc, doesn't it mean there is less need for much of the tech?
I think I have had one crash where ABS would have saved the day (but also, if I'd had the brake pads I was used to, I think it might have been avoided). Maybe that's enough to justify it, I don't know. I can't think of any situation I've ever been in when I wished I'd had traction control. I have a bike now with suspension I rate highly enough not to feel the need for 'active', whatever that is. I've never had a bike that made me think, "I wish I had some way to control the power delivery other than the throttle."
I suppose this doesn't mean I wouldn't enjoy riding a bike that has all that.
What we need is choice. What we don't need is politicians and industry figures telling us we must have this or that tech.
Otoh, if you've known nothing but tech, I guess you'd be wondering what all the fuss is about, assuming you have the money to pay for it. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Polarbear wrote: | G wrote: | 1998 CB500 - RRP was £4085.
A 2018 CB500 RRP is £5099.
Accounting for inflation, if the price had stayed level, it should be £7067 this year.
Okay, the new bike is lower spec as far as performance goes and probably lower build quality too (though maybe a few more toys.)
But overall, bike prices at this end have gone down, not up.
Also; on absolute terms; you can now get a 200hp decent spec track bike for under £7k. |
Do the same for a 70's bike G. including wages and I very much doubt you will get the same result. |
This may be the more apt point, actually. If G is right, then maybe it's not the fault of manufacturers and ever-increasing amounts of tech. But they'll still need to adapt to a changing reality if they want to continue selling bikes in this country. Maybe they won't. Maybe they'll just sell elsewhere. Or maybe they'll make enough profit from the rich folks still buying.
But it's a shame that the scenario Polarbear and others remember no longer seems to exist. Maybe even the cheaper price for performance that 2 strokes represented explains some of the change. But we're not allowed to miss those ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Posted: 11:19 - 26 Sep 2018 Post subject: |
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1977 CB500T was £915 apparantly - £6276 in today's money.
However a 1978 CX500 was £1,249.00, which comes out at £7394.
Both choices still a good bit more expensive than today's prices.
What is a factor for many is the cost of living in popular places - if you choose to live in London now, you're likely to be spending a lot more of your wage on that than if you did in the 70s, for instance.
This was the site I used for the comparisons, by the way: https://inflation.iamkate.com/ . |
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But we're constantly told that the gap between rich and poor is increasing, with more and more people being affected for the worst. So comparative inflation figures have little value in reality? ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Maybe...I am swirling in a cloud of senility |
Don't knock it, there's a lot to be said for swirling in a cloud of senility. It's cheaper than paying for recreational drugs, in any case ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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G wrote: | Perhaps a good bit of it now is that there is a significantly bigger difference between 'cheap bikes' and 'top end' bikes?
The GT500 and Bonny aren't THAT different if you put the two next to each other.
A CB500 and a S1000RR are massively different in comparison |
Hmm, I don't think that's a fair comparison. Convince me that it is?
Quote: | And yet also; the absolute standard of living is also contantly improving for everyone pretty much. Or at least the abilitiy to have a better standard of living if you make an effort.
You might think that those using the polotics of jealousy have an agenda along ideological grounds over actually wanting the best for people . |
I'm not replying to that, simply on the grounds that we're starting to drag politics into yet another thread
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I think there's good reason the new 'top end' motorcycle would cost a significantly high proportion than the old 'top end' relative to the cheaper one. |
Are you beginning to contradict your earlier posts? ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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But I'm suggesting there isn't something similar to a S1000RR to compare it to in the 70s. |
So I'm right in thinking you made an unfair comparison? ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 5 years, 253 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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