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| Easy-X wrote: | Englishman, Irishman, Welshman and Scotsman drinking in a pub. "More beer please, barman!"
Barman serves them half-pints and charges twice the price 
"Fuck this," says the Scotsman "I'm off."
"Can we come?" ask the others.
"No."
Maybe the disloyalty is what sticks in people's throat  Westminster tyrannises all of the UK not just Scotland. |
Disloyalty my arse.
Why should Scotland show loyalty to Westminster? They don't show any to Scotland. |
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| Posted: 20:27 - 29 Nov 2022 Post subject: |
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| Easy-X wrote: | Englishman, Irishman, Welshman and Scotsman drinking in a pub. "More beer please, barman!"
Barman serves them half-pints and charges twice the price
"Fuck this," says the Scotsman "I'm off."
"Can we come?" ask the others.
"No."
Maybe the disloyalty is what sticks in people's throat Westminster tyrannises all of the UK not just Scotland. |
But the Scotsman didn't want to go to that bar. He wanted to go to a different bar because he knew that one was shit but always gets dragged in there by the Englishman. He'd like to try a different bar where they serve heavy ale not bitter and give you a clean glass with every pint but the Englishman always gets his way.
The Englishman is that annoying mate who insists on dragging everyone to a trendy but shit bar in the town centre where the beer is shite and expensive and there's always a fight before the end of the night . Everyone else wanted to go somewhere local with comfy seats and a good juke box.
Scottish Westminster MPs
Scottish National Party 44
Scottish Conservatives 6
Scottish Liberal Democrats 4
Alba Party 2
Scottish Labour 1
Other 2
EDIT: The Scotsman didn't want the Englishman to come with him to the comfy bar because he knows he'd be loud and annoying and upset the locals.
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Gain independence and crack on with things. |
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Devolution was created so these people would moan at the devolved administrations |
If Scotland was so great, they'd be forging ahead even if they didn't have any of this devolution. The only people they're kidding is themselves.
Oh, they're going to blame an unwanted Brexit? So why weren't they achieving this greatness while we were still in the EU?
Scotland's failures are nothing to do with whoever is in government, or how much devolution they have, or if they gain independence. Excellent people achieve excellent things despite government.
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Gain independence and crack on with things. |
Oh dear. I do see a parallel with Brexit, and I was disappointed that there was no proper plan for that, but Brexit was largely about true sovereignty and the UK economy was relatively strong. In contrast, Scotland proposes to dive straight into the (presumed) welcoming arms of the EU. Scotland will accept the UK pound (with no influence upon it) until the EU imposes the Euro. Is that independence?
Scotland has a greater deficit than England, and it has a larger public sector; very nice but it needs to be paid for. Both nations are disappointingly dependant on London’s financial sector but Brexit didn’t throw that away.
I really think you need a plan, and the public should expect it in order to make an informed decision in the event of another referendum. Demand it…. Or just wing it? |
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| Islander wrote: | | chickenstrip wrote: |
If Scotland was so great, they'd be forging ahead even if they didn't have any of this devolution. The only people they're kidding is themselves.
Oh, they're going to blame an unwanted Brexit? So why weren't they achieving this greatness while we were still in the EU?
Scotland's failures are nothing to do with whoever is in government, or how much devolution they have, or if they gain independence. Excellent people achieve excellent things despite government. |
Oh so that's why England is doing so well  |
We just need a few more Albanians, and we'll surge ahead!
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As I've said repeatedly. Brexit is nothing more than a convenient lever.
The SNP say they'd join the EU after independance. It wont be up to the SNP.
EEA membership might be a more valid option which seems to work for other similar nations like the Nordic countries, Iceland and Switzerland.
With regard to the currency, the pound is a freely tradeable currency. IF an independant Scotland wants to use the pound, they can, just like they could use the dollar, the Euro or they could use their own currency. Many non UK, non EU countries use sterling. Isle of Mann and Channel Islands spring to mind. Scotlands independant banks already issue their own currency based on their sterling holdings lodged with the Bank of England. Actual deposits, not imaginary ones like the bank of England notes.
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Oh dear. I do see a parallel with Brexit, and I was disappointed that there was no proper plan for that, but Brexit was largely about true sovereignty and the UK economy was relatively strong. |
Nobody's economy is strong now 
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There also seems to be an assumption that the underperforming SNP won’t be in charge because something better will come along. Who? |
I hope you're not holding your breath for an answer
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| Islander wrote: | | Easy-X wrote: |
"The English" this "The English" that. No. The English did not choose to let in the swashbucklers. The English did not choose to levy a green tax on energy. The English, if given the choice wouldn't do any of this stupid shit. But the UK isn't run by the English it's run by those in Westminster and they're not the English ffs. Maybe you could describe them as "British" in the old Empire usage of the word. |
Let's see then. Of 650 elected MPs sitting in Westminster:
59 are Scottish
40 are Welsh
18 are Northern Irish
That leaves 533 English MPs representing English constituencies.
If you're going to bring ethnic minority members into the equation for whatever reason, just 65 or 10% of the elected MPs come from their ranks.
Whichever way you look at it, Westminster is largely representative of England and the majority are English politicians. |
And, my little Scottish friends, this is an Englishman in your midst, assuming to speak for you!
See how arrogant the English are?!
Actually, he might be on to something - maybe all the English should up sticks and move to Scotland to get away from Westminster
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If none of the other nations had voted conservative at all, there would still be a conservative majority in the house. |
 Voted Tory, whatever they are. There isn't a conservative among them. And the one thing they voted Tory for was a promise to see Brexit done. But what's the point of 'Brexit' (such as they made it) with all the other shit they're fucking up?
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If none of the other nations had voted conservative at all, there would still be a conservative majority in the house. |
Voted Tory, whatever they are. There isn't a conservative among them. And the one thing they voted Tory for was a promise to see Brexit done. But what's the point of 'Brexit' (such as they made it) with all the other shit they're fucking up? |
Tory/consertative/whig. My point was, don't try to claim the current Westminster government is representative of anything other than the preference of the English electorate. The Irish didn't vote for them at all, the Scots did in tiny numbers (6/59 seats), the Welsh slightly more so (13/40).
If you're not happy with them, it's only yourself to blame. Perhaps the issue is the electorate is made up of the wrong sort of people?
The SNP are a shower of useless too, but I think most Scots would still own up to having elected them.
Full disclosure, I live in England and voted Tory at the last election but I'm just here stealing English jobs and women as is traditional for Scots since they started clamping down on cattle rustling.
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