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I get that, I really do, but giving someone $10m worth of something to go to foreign lands to kills someone with it, and nobody questions the logistics? |
If you were in the employ of Putin, and he told you to do it, would you question the logistics? Who was there to do so?
| Pjay wrote: | I'm pretty sure most of these spies/mercs/kgb agents would have taken that $10m worth of polonium and sold it for $5m to the 'Mericans' and lived a wonderful life. |
Why would the USA be interested in buying it from you? It wouldn't have nearly as much value as intelligence about, say, Russian nuclear weapons deployments.
And it isn't like Hollywood - or perhaps is?...some of these people really are patriotic, believe in Mother Russia and Putin, and would lay down their lives for 'the cause'. It's not the first time it has been said, and I'm not the most authoritative person to say it, but we really don't think about these things the way the Russians do.
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| Monkeywrencher wrote: | | the story goes wrote: | Lugovoy had visited London at least three times in the month before Litvinenko's death and met with him four times. Lugovoy met with Litvinenko on the day he fell ill (November 1). Traces of polonium-210 have been discovered in all three hotels where Lugovoy stayed after flying to London on 16 October, in the Pescatori restaurant, Dover Street, Mayfair, where Lugovoy is understood to have dined before 1 November and aboard two aircraft on which he had traveled.[6] He was treated at a Moscow hospital for suspected radiation poisoning but declined to say whether he had been contaminated with polonium-210, the substance that led to Litvinenko's death on 23 November 2006 |
So all that's just fabricated? |
Or to read it another way without the media agenda added.
Litvenenko had the polodium and was possibly trying to broker a deal with Lugovoy, who he met at at least one of the hotels, contaminating Lugovoy in the process?
Or, who knows, Lugovoy sold it to Litveenko, who was brokering a deal for someone esle (UK govt perhaps?), who then accidentally poisoned himself with it?
It's all supposition, even the enquiry concluded with "possible" and "probable", with no certainty as to who did it, if anyone did.
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Or to read it another way without the media agenda added.
Litvenenko had the polodium and was possibly trying to broker a deal with Lugovoy, who he met at at least one of the hotels, contaminating Lugovoy in the process?
Or, who knows, Lugovoy sold it to Litveenko, who was brokering a deal for someone esle (UK govt perhaps?), who then accidentally poisoned himself with it?
It's all supposition, even the enquiry concluded with "possible" and "probable", with no certainty as to who did it, if anyone did. |
And all you have done there is to add to the speculation, which there doesn't seem to me to be much point in. And you don't even have any experience or evidence on which to base it.
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| chickenstrip wrote: | | mpd72 wrote: |
Or to read it another way without the media agenda added.
Litvenenko had the polodium and was possibly trying to broker a deal with Lugovoy, who he met at at least one of the hotels, contaminating Lugovoy in the process?
Or, who knows, Lugovoy sold it to Litveenko, who was brokering a deal for someone esle (UK govt perhaps?), who then accidentally poisoned himself with it?
It's all supposition, even the enquiry concluded with "possible" and "probable", with no certainty as to who did it, if anyone did. |
And all you have done there is to add to the speculation, which there doesn't seem to me to be much point in. And you don't even have any experience or evidence on which to base it. |
That’s the point. My speculation is no different to the speculation that it was a Russian state assassination, but the U.K. public believe the agenda fed to them by the media.
I have to agree with Corbyn’s comments for once. The government and press should stop pointing the finger at the Russian state when we have no proof what so ever that they did this “on British soil”.
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That’s the point. My speculation is no different to the speculation that it was a Russian state assassination, but the U.K. public believe the agenda fed to them by the media. |
Imo, the 'story' of the Litvinenko case has more than speculation to back it up. Considerably more. So it is very different to yours. I agree there is still some doubt, but there are very good reasons why it stacks up quite well, as I have mentioned earlier.
| Quote: | I have to agree with Corbyn’s comments for once. The government and press should stop pointing the finger at the Russian state when we have no proof what so ever that they did this “on British soil”. |
If we have no proof, and in the current case it seems we don't yet, then I agree. It does nobody any good, and just makes people suspicious of our own authorities.
I'm actually a bit of a Putin fan, believe it or not. If he did order the assassination of Litvinenko, you can easily see why he would. We may not always see eye to eye with him, but you can't deny he is a strong leader who sticks by his convictions. Ours might learn something from him.
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| Kawasaki Jimbo wrote: | | Pjay wrote: | I'm pretty sure most of these spies/mercs/kgb agents would have taken that $10m worth of polonium and sold it for $5m to the 'Mericans' and lived a wonderful life. |
Assuming an assassin was stupid enough to double-cross Putin, how long do you think that life would be? |
Bearing in mind:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/vladimir-putin-traitors-kick-bucket-sergei-skripal-latest-video-30-pieces-silver-a8243206.html
Idle threats?
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I don't think any of you are thinking far enough outside the box.
IS killed Litvinenko, and tried to kill Skripal and co. see by 2018 IS are weakened in syria and Iraq, Brexit is underway and if it succeeds it will be the catalyst for the collapse of the rest of the EU, and the end of free movement in Europe.
As a result IS would be unable to smuggled their vanguard into Europe in the guise of refugees.
So IS built a time machine and sent a Jihadi back to 2006, Litvinenko wasn't really the intended target, He just got contaminated by the Polonium used into the Time machine, but as it happened everyone blamed Russia so it turned out a master stroke.
Following the Leave vote, and the steady progress of Brexit, the time travelling Jihadi tried to kill Skirpal hoping to destabilise UK/Russia relations, knowing full well Russia would be the patsy and even if the plan was discover the liberal media and the authorities would never call it what it was, they would just claim it was a mentally ill lone wolf.
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| duhawkz wrote: | I don't think any of you are thinking far enough outside the box.
IS killed Litvinenko, and tried to kill Skripal and co. see by 2018 IS are weakened in syria and Iraq, Brexit is underway and if it succeeds it will be the catalyst for the collapse of the rest of the EU, and the end of free movement in Europe.
As a result IS would be unable to smuggled their vanguard into Europe in the guise of refugees.
So IS built a time machine and sent a Jihadi back to 2006, Litvinenko wasn't really the intended target, He just got contaminated by the Polonium used into the Time machine, but as it happened everyone blamed Russia so it turned out a master stroke.
Following the Leave vote, and the steady progress of Brexit, the time travelling Jihadi tried to kill Skirpal hoping to destabilise UK/Russia relations, knowing full well Russia would be the patsy and even if the plan was discover the liberal media and the authorities would never call it what it was, they would just claim it was a mentally ill lone wolf. |
The irony of your scoffing is, that many very rich organisations/institutions, IS and EU included, would stand to benefit considerably from a destabilised UK/Russia relationship.
Using a former double agent and his daughter would be seen as a small price to play in a large scale propaganda war.
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More significantly, it's in Russia's interests to destabilise the EU.
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| Pjay wrote: | | chickenstrip wrote: | More significantly, it's in Russia's interests to destabilise the EU. |
Russia are great, if all goes well they take over the EU and the UK, then we can be run by a government that actually cares. |
I'll reserve judgement on that, not having lived there.
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Chap was found 6 miles or so from Porton Down, where the UK did its own chemical weapons research.
Peculiar coincidence, eh?
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You can make a judgement based on facts.
Some former Soviet republics aligned themselves with Great Leaders who Care about People, the others fell victim to hordes of dreadful bureaucrats unleashed by Brussels. The information on quality of life in both types is publicly available. |
Would you care to inspire me with some facts that will make me want to go and live in Russia?
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