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Im-a-Ridah
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 19 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two more problems:
1. Have you got 20p/50p?
2. The risk of getting stabbed/robbed/raped by youknowwho
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PostPosted: 14:18 - 19 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Government subsidies for electric cars and hybrid cars are less attractive than they used to be. I see it a bit like solar panels and feed in tariffs, the initial attractive rates help get the industry going and once it's going, the benefits of the product alone are enough to keep demand going.

A hybrid XC90 is purely for VED reasons and subsidy reasons. On top of that, they're part of the reason why subsidies are being cut. Laughing

Electric vehicle running costs will be significantly reduced if you have a reasonable sized solar panel array on the roof of your house and a domestic power bank.

All of this will be unnecessary once we're being driven around in driverless electric Uber cars. Laughing

It's the way things are going and resistance is futile.
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PostPosted: 14:21 - 19 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Free rides! Smile

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PostPosted: 14:35 - 19 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
Free rides! Smile

Now with added fire. Very Happy

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-46593190
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PostPosted: 17:19 - 19 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bollocks to the highstreet, I hate it with a passion. I avoid it like the plague and only time I really have to go there is if I need to go to the bank for something.

You spend 2 hours on congested roads trying to find a carpark, finally get to the carpark and spend 45 minutes waiting for the single mother in a Ford Galaxy dithering about trying to park in a space and holding everyone up, pay £742 per minute to park, now you have to set off with a sherpa for the 3 day hike from the carpark to the actual high street whilst running the gauntlet of charity "Hi do you have a moment, Im going to stand in your way and wave a clipboard at you" direct debit save the ________s, try not to make eye contact with the ISSSUUUUEEEEE seller, step over at least 3 dozen homeless people all asking for 'spare change guv?' (no, its 2018 who the fuck still carries cash, also fuck off), try not to get knifed by the gang of feral youths on the corner, finally make it to the shop you want only to find out that on Thursday for some reason they close at 12 and now you have to try the other shop on the other side of town, only to find out theyre out of stock, but can order it in for £4.99 delivery in 6 weeks. Defeated you slump back to your car, where you overstayed your parking by exactly 8 seconds and now have a £90 parking charge.

Or you can do it from the comfort of your own home, lazing about your underwear in front your PC scratching your balls with one hand, cuppa in the other. Flicking between amazon and pornhub as you fancy and nobody can judge you. Plus itll be half the price, and for the cost of a few hours parking you can have it delivered same day by Amazon Prime.

In summary, fuck the highstreet. Every other shop is either a Costa, Chikkin Cottage, Hair/Nail salon, or Paddy Power now anyway.
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PostPosted: 20:03 - 19 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

So we all agree the high street is a nightmare of sorts and is for the most part avoided.

What do people think will become of them? All residential? A few pubs and residential?
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PostPosted: 21:17 - 19 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
Free rides! Smile

Now with added fire. Very Happy

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-46593190


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/485/socialembed/https://twitter.com/brlohn/status/1073722558644535297~/news/technology-46593190

It looks like his colleague is the culprit. You can see the evil look on its wee roboty face.
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PostPosted: 22:05 - 19 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tierbirdy wrote:
Bollocks to the highstreet, I hate it with a passion.


Oh, I don't know about that, I quite like it. Perhaps it's a "hunter gatherer" thing rather thsan a domesticated thing?
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PostPosted: 23:05 - 19 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tierbirdy wrote:
In summary, fuck the highstreet. Every other shop is either a Costa, Chikkin Cottage, Hair/Nail salon, or Paddy Power now anyway.

You're forgetting all the empty shops with "to let" signs in the windows.

Shopping malls are another thing that have had their day. Some of them are so dead that you wonder why they're even bothering to keep the place open.

As for the few shops in the nearly dead malls, I don't understand why they don't move to the less dead mall in town where they'd have more passing trade. Sure, the nearly dead mall would then be completely dead but then all the shops in the less dead mall would have a greater chance of survival.

This stuff isn't complicated, is it? Confused
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PostPosted: 23:13 - 19 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:


Shopping malls are another thing that have had their day. Some of them are so dead that you wonder why they're even bothering to keep the place open.

As for the few shops in the nearly dead malls, I don't understand why they don't move to the less dead mall in town where they'd have more passing trade. Sure, the nearly dead mall would then be completely dead but then all the shops in the less dead mall would have a greater chance of survival.

This stuff isn't complicated, is it? Confused


We just need to wait a bit. Towns will grow, absorbing/surrounding the out-of-town shopping centres. Then they will effectively be the new high streets, centrally located, but with plenty of parking right outside the shops Thumbs Up

Except by then, all shopping will be done online, so the formerly-out-of-town shopping centres will die, so there will be plenty of parking but no reason to use it.
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PostPosted: 09:42 - 20 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
As for the few shops in the nearly dead malls, I don't understand why they don't move to the less dead mall in town where they'd have more passing trade.


10 year leases that they can't get out of most probably. Taking a hit on the rent, while signing another lease to pay more rent isn't a viable option for a lot of shops. B&Q allowed for a couple hundred million for lease costs when it closed 60 odd stores a few years ago as part of a relocation / consolidation strategy.
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PostPosted: 11:45 - 20 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also rent prices in the popular malls shopping centres (we're not American Wink). A lot of the independent stores can't afford a popular location, hence why at the bigger shopping centres they tend to have the same chains.
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PostPosted: 11:55 - 20 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Increasing fuel prices will get me into an electric car, probably sooner rather than later based on my mileage, but it will not get on on the bus, mainly because they dont go where/when I want to travel.

Delivery vans and online ordering make much more sense, as I dont really care what time of the day my parcel is delivered as long as it's there when I get home.

I have to agree with MPD that the current trend of 2-3 year leases isnt healthy
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PostPosted: 11:59 - 20 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

B5234FT wrote:
Delivery vans and online ordering make much more sense, as I dont really care what time of the day my parcel is delivered as long as it's there when I get home.

A high percentage of (my) deliveries either don't arrive on the day they say they will, or there's some sort of other f**k up. Click and collect's actually preferable for me. There's nothing worse than waiting in 2 days for a sodding delivery Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 12:14 - 20 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
B5234FT wrote:
Delivery vans and online ordering make much more sense, as I dont really care what time of the day my parcel is delivered as long as it's there when I get home.

A high percentage of (my) deliveries either don't arrive on the day they say they will, or there's some sort of other f**k up. Click and collect's actually preferable for me. There's nothing worse than waiting in 2 days for a sodding delivery Rolling Eyes


Yep, this is my biggest issue with online shopping, if you work a job with regular hours, then you are never likely to be in when your parcel is being delivered, and since the company i work for frowned upon having personal deliveries sent to company premises, i have to rely on my neighbours being in, or traipsing down to the collection depot, where parking is at a an absolute minimum

The Post Office collection depot in Chesvegas has a total of 5 parking spaces (1 of which is a disabled spot), and all surrounding roads are permit parking only, or council pay & display carparks, so i still have to drive into the town centre and pay parking to pick up my online orders
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PostPosted: 12:22 - 20 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
There's nothing worse than waiting in 2 days for a sodding delivery Rolling Eyes

Yes there is.

My Hermes is worse.

My Hermes is the worst.

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PostPosted: 13:31 - 20 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

rpsmith79 wrote:
M.C wrote:

A high percentage of (my) deliveries either don't arrive on the day they say they will, or there's some sort of other f**k up. Click and collect's actually preferable for me. There's nothing worse than waiting in 2 days for a sodding delivery Rolling Eyes


Yep, this is my biggest issue with online shopping, if you work a job with regular hours, then you are never likely to be in when your parcel is being delivered, and since the company i work for frowned upon having personal deliveries sent to company premises, i have to rely on my neighbours being in, or traipsing down to the collection depot, where parking is at a an absolute minimum

The Post Office collection depot in Chesvegas has a total of 5 parking spaces (1 of which is a disabled spot), and all surrounding roads are permit parking only, or council pay & display carparks, so i still have to drive into the town centre and pay parking to pick up my online orders



Define a safe place to leave parcels then, or use an amazon or similar locker at a convenient location on the way home.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lockable-Delivery-Storage-Receive-deliveries/dp/B00UJHYPZK

I never wait in for deliveries apart from food, I work full time an hour from home.
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PostPosted: 14:03 - 20 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

rpsmith79 wrote:
Yep, this is my biggest issue with online shopping, if you work a job with regular hours, then you are never likely to be in when your parcel is being delivered, and since the company i work for frowned upon having personal deliveries sent to company premises, i have to rely on my neighbours being in, or traipsing down to the collection depot, where parking is at a an absolute minimum

The Post Office collection depot in Chesvegas has a total of 5 parking spaces (1 of which is a disabled spot), and all surrounding roads are permit parking only, or council pay & display carparks, so i still have to drive into the town centre and pay parking to pick up my online orders

Royalmail aren't really an issue for me, they at least find the address. Recently FexEx 3 times tried to deliver to a business unit which was X (my) number of a different sodding address Rolling Eyes

I've had couriers refuse to deliver then send a letter two weeks later informing me of this, say they left it with a neighbour when they haven't, and then asked me if the elderly couple were trustworthy Rolling Eyes (and so on).

Another recent one DX two days running failed to collect a parcel, I ended up cancelling the collection and sent it Royal Mail.
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PostPosted: 00:29 - 21 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

B5234FT wrote:

Define a safe place to leave parcels then, or use an amazon or similar locker at a convenient location on the way home.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lockable-Delivery-Storage-Receive-deliveries/dp/B00UJHYPZK

I never wait in for deliveries apart from food, I work full time an hour from home.



Yeah, also ebay Click and Collect from local Sainsburys / alternative as appropriate.
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PostPosted: 02:39 - 21 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

UK High Streets 'have twice as many shops as needed'

Britain has twice as many shops as it needs, according to the author of a report looking at how to revive the nation's High Streets.

Retailer Sir John Timpson said local councils must be given more money to turn town centres into communities and meeting places.

Sir John told the BBC revival should be a "bottom up" job, with councils taking the lead.

"People should be allowed to get on and do it themselves," he said.

Sir John, a member of the founding-family of shoe repair and key-cutting business Timpson, said each town centre needed to establish a task force to address issues such as planning. He said "planning must be made simpler and quicker".

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However, Sir John told BBC Breakfast that reviving High Streets and town centres was not just about shopping. "It's about communities and creating a hub for entertainment, medical facilities, housing. We probably have about twice as many shops as we need. But we are short of housing."

An immediate measure he wants introduced is a National High Street Perfect Day - one day a year where local communities would take ownerships of ensuring their town centre looked as good as possible.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46630861
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PostPosted: 12:53 - 21 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:

An immediate measure he wants introduced is a National High Street Perfect Day - one day a year where local communities would take ownerships of ensuring their town centre looked as good as possible.



They could start by smashing the acres of plate glass store fronts and installing something a little more attractive.
Bill Bryson made an interesting point in one or other of his books. If you ride around an old town or city in the top deck of a bus, it all looks much more varied and interesting, as above all these store fronts, you see the architecture of various periods, which was much more decorative than today's purely functional drabness.
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 22 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste most of it has been tried before unfortunately. Many towns have an appointed Town Centre Manager who's job it is to co-ordinate spending. Planning regulations regarding conversion of buildings have been relaxed a lot in recent years, yet we will continue to see 'empties' until viable uses can be found. If people don't want to shop in towns anymore, there isn't much a day a year making the place pretty will do about it.

Chickenstrip you are correct. Most people don't look above ground floor level when they walk about so don't appreciate what is going on above. Trouble is, seeing an attractive 1st and 2nd storey to a shop they don't want to go into isn't really a help.

After a couple of decades of pain where we shed our reliance on cars as personal transport, town centres will come back into their own, assuming the zombies haven't taken over by then...
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PostPosted: 23:00 - 22 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just construct a tax system that requires Amazon and eBay to offer collection from an eBay or Amazon store on the high street.

Ultimately we will end up with collection lockers on every street corner.
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PostPosted: 23:55 - 22 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

How close is your nearest Amazon pickup location?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/css/account/address/view.html?ie=UTF8&ref_=s9_acss_bw_cg_x_6a1_w&storeSearchRedirectUrl=%2Fa%2Faddresses%3F&viewID=searchStores&
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PostPosted: 03:29 - 23 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:


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