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Im-a-Ridah wrote: | M.C wrote: | Would you rather have a knife or gun pulled on you? Would you rather someone gets stabbed or bullets go flying hitting whoever happens to be nearby? |
A gun is less dangerous. |
That might just be the stupidest thing ever written on this forum.
Im-a-Ridah wrote: | In theory you can run away from a Mr stabby but the chances are that a group of 16 year old kids from "diverse backgrounds" can run a fair bit faster than you can. |
In practice I managed it growing up. With knives you obviously have to be in extremely close proximity, a friend even kicked away the guy trying to stab him whilst cornered/on his back. If the guy had a gun he would have stood over him and fired however many rounds.
Im-a-Ridah wrote: | And a knife does a lot more damage than a cheap 9mm handgun does. |
Cheap? Look at the US as an example...
https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/
Im-a-Ridah wrote: | Knives are also a lot quieter than guns which can be a factor in some situations. |
Unless they shoot from a distance and miss I don't see how hearing gunfire will be an advantage. |
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Im-a-Ridah wrote: | M.C wrote: |
That might just be the stupidest thing ever written on this forum. |
No, that honour goes to the idea that guns are more dangerous than knives. |
I even presented evidence showing you're wrong yet you still want to double down on your stupidity? https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/ Why do many more people die from guns than knives if they're less dangerous?
Im-a-Ridah wrote: | M.C wrote: |
In practice I managed it growing up. With knives you obviously have to be in extremely close proximity, a friend even kicked away the guy trying to stab him whilst cornered/on his back. If the guy had a gun he would have stood over him and fired however many rounds.
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As I already said, guns are more dangerous if you are a faster runner than the knifeman. But given the age demographics of the stabbers they're at least a decade or 3 younger than you, so probably you will be slower. And there are 5 of them. So you're going to get stabbed and each stab is going to make you bleed out way quicker than each bullet. |
And as I said I lived it, I'm not someone fantasising on an internet forum. You keep your distance and get yourself out of that situation, guns change the whole dynamic, you can see endless videos of people getting shot during robberies (but they'll probably be fine according to you) who did very little 'wrong'.
Im-a-Ridah wrote: | [Typically you are in an argument up close and then it turns violent. So the scenario in 99.999% of cases starts in knife range where actually knives are faster than guns as per the 21 foot rule (see video below). At longer ranges hanguns become much harder to accurately shoot for untrained street crims. Between that, guns rule, but an argument that starts 50 feet away and turns into a gun battle is a relatively unlikely scenario for normal citizens (non-gang members).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js0haocH4-o |
No shit they keep their distance, they also keep their distance with a gunman for the reason you yourself stated.
Im-a-Ridah wrote: | M.C wrote: |
Unless they shoot from a distance and miss I don't see how hearing gunfire will be an advantage. |
Once you're into the realms of people snipering you, the question of gun vs knife is probably the least of your worries. That's quite different from casual street violence. The advantage of the silence of a knife is that criminals who stab people don't want police 2 street away hearing the gunfire. |
I wasn't talking about sniping, even in the US that's pretty rare; Vegas shooter and that black guy in the converted car are the only ones that spring to mind. Also the British police don't go running into gunfire, the US police don't seem to either if they genuinely feel in danger, eg: the Texas school shooting.
And if you're wondering why I'm getting pissy about this it's because if people like you had their way, those of us who had to grow up in diversity hell holes would have had a much more dangerous time, and likely wouldn't be alive to tell the tale. |
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Because you are making claim X and then providing evidence Y, then calling me retarded when I point out that you didn't give evidence X. Go get two pieces of beef, shoot one with a 9mm handgun and stab the other with a dagger, then look at which does more damage. The bullet will stick a hole in it, the dagger could slash it nearly in half.
Your link refers to gang violence which is not a valid threat model unless you personally are a gang member. If you are, then your problem isn't guns but rather your lifestyle of gang membership. Guns are used in gang killings in the US not because they do more damage but because they expose the attacker to less risk of counterfire. To even further evidence this point the gangs use fairly rubbish guns and crappy ammo, and more often than not the victim survives. For the civilian case i.e you was I talking about, knives are more dangerous. I've provided bags of evidence and all you've been able to do so far is call me names.
https://youtu.be/Vey6np0-KFk?t=245
M.C wrote: | And as I said I lived it, I'm not someone fantasising on an internet forum. You keep your distance and get yourself out of that situation, guns change the whole dynamic, you can see endless videos of people getting shot during robberies (but they'll probably be fine according to you) who did very little 'wrong'. |
You have no idea what I have or haven't experienced, you're just ASSuming again. You've still not explained to me how you would outrun a gang of 16 year old diverse kids with knives. Instead you just hurled some abuse and declared yourself correct
M.C wrote: | AAnd if you're wondering why I'm getting pissy about this it's because |
... you're a boomer and you hate being wrong? |
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Im-a-Ridah wrote: | Because you are making claim X and then providing evidence Y, then calling me retarded when I point out that you didn't give evidence X. |
I said it was stupid/stupidity. I provided evidence that guns cause (a lot) more deaths than knives, whilst you've err...
Im-a-Ridah wrote: | Go get two pieces of beef, shoot one with a 9mm handgun and stab the other with a dagger, then look at which does more damage. The bullet will stick a hole in it, the dagger could slash it nearly in half. |
...and if I got a bloody chainsaw it would do much more damage than both of them. What's responsible for the most deaths out of the three?
Im-a-Ridah wrote: | Your link refers to gang violence which is not a valid threat model unless you personally are a gang member. |
I think you'll find gangs are linked with street crime which's what we have both been referring to. They also probably have a pretty good idea about what weapons are most effective/best to use.
https://media-exp1.licdn.com/dms/image/C4E12AQE8dX4wLFY7FA/article-inline_image-shrink_1500_2232/0/1621428114578?e=1664409600&v=beta&t=9rh7kC0s4U3i1XAZ3Kxs73ZK49E6FKTreBqwcOsTUxc
Im-a-Ridah wrote: | You have no idea what I have or haven't experienced, you're just ASSuming again. |
I revealed straight away that I had routinely experienced it first hand, if you did you would have immediately countered that. What someone doesn't say is often more telling... tell me I'm wrong and you grew up in the hood
Im-a-Ridah wrote: | You've still not explained to me how you would outrun a gang of 16 year old diverse kids with knives. Instead you just hurled some abuse and declared yourself correct |
M.C previously wrote: | You keep your distance and get yourself out of that situation, guns change the whole dynamic, you can see endless videos of people getting shot during robberies (but they'll probably be fine according to you) who did very little 'wrong'. |
Obviously in your head every attempted mugging involves the perpetrator, willing to chase you across the city and stab you to death. Again this indicates fuck all real world experience and someone who's fantasising. Every time I needed to get away I did and I'm not Usain Bolt. I even a cited a friend who didn't...
M.C previously wrote: | a friend even kicked away the guy trying to stab him whilst cornered/on his back. If the guy had a gun he would have stood over him and fired however many rounds. |
^and that wasn't a random attack.
Im-a-Ridah wrote: | ... you're a boomer and you hate being wrong? |
If I was a boomer then I wouldn't have been growing up in a diverse hellhole... I'm wrong in the same way shitlibs will tell you diversity is amazing and you're wrong if you disagree, in other words someone who comes at a subject from a position of ignorance yet still thinks they know best. |
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"Daggers" ?! Playing too many RPGs methinks
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What about mental health and gun crime threads on forums? |
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Ste wrote: | Im-a-Ridah wrote: | Go get two pieces of beef, shoot one with a 9mm handgun and stab the other with a dagger, then look at which does more damage. The bullet will stick a hole in it, the dagger could slash it nearly in half. |
You make a good point about how dangerous daggers and handguns can be to pieces of beef that are already dead but the story is a bit different for living people.
Guns are deadlier than knives. Chances of survival are much better for someone who's been slashed or stabbed with a dagger than they are for someone who gets shot with a handgun.
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As someone who owns and and uses various different calibre pistols/shotguns/rifles to regularly to kill animals/pests on and around a farms and on a much lesser extent to kill with a knife (slashing open throats on pigs for example).
There are far too many variables to compare, most important factor is shot/stab placement. I would consider that a firearm and a knife as the tools that they are have the same deadliness. ____________________ Past:NRG50,AF1125(x2),NSR125RR,ZZR250,CX500,VFR400,KR1S,ZZR600(x2),CB400N,YZF1000(x2),KH125,Z200,FX400R,CBR954RR(x2)GPZ500S,GT550,VFR750F(x2),RD350N,XR650R,CBR600F,CB250,KDX250,YZF750R,CRM250,400EXC,KLR650,TTR600RE,DR350S,R100GSPD,RGV250,VMAX1200,DL650,KZ750 Present:G650XC,C12,CRF450X,1190ADV |
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If we start arming the UK populous, maybe under the pretence of self-defence after a wolf re-wilding campaign goes wrong, and get everyone used to guns again.
One packed Channel Tunnel train of armed citizens and we could probably take Calais in an afternoon. The government will send over troops, ostensibly to help the French retake the town, but in reality as reinforcements. While that little sideshow is going on crack troops will be parachuted in to capture all the nuclear plants.
With the power literally in our hands we can start dictating to the EU.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 1 year, 296 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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