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SmokinBeats
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PostPosted: 07:15 - 22 May 2002    Post subject: De-restriction (Legal/illegal) Reply with quote

I'm just about to buy a bike and am looking at getting a full A license which should allow me to ride bikes up to 33bhp. I'm looking at buying a Honda NSR125 or Aprilia RS125 as my first bike but need a little guideance.

Both bikes can be de-restricted to give a hell of a lot more power. For example, the NSR restricted gives about 12 bhp, but unrestricted gives nearer 30. Is it legal to de-restrict my bike as I am qualified to ride up to 33bhp.......or is it illegal whatever the circumstances?

Thanks for any comments

P.s. What would people get, the NSR or the RS. The NSR I can de-restrict in my garage just by removing a couple of parts so I'm quite tempted by that.
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PostPosted: 07:50 - 22 May 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

As long as you have a A license you can legally ride a deresticted NSR125 or RS125.

I'd say RS125 but it really depends on what you're going to use it for. The RS125 is faster & better handling than the NSR but the RS is worse to ride around town & needs more looking after than a NSR. If you're buying second had I'd say nsr because alot of RS havn't been looked after leading to engine problems. The RS125 needs new rings every 5000 miles & a piston at 10,000 miles.

If you buy a RS125 they are allready full power when you buy it so you wont need to derestrict it. To restrict it the remove the powervalve & fit a blanking plate. So if you want a full power (33bhp) RS125 check to see if its got the powervalve fitted.

DONT BUY A IMPORTED RS125 OR NSR125. You might save money but you'll have more trouble in the end. For RS125's the 3 year warrenty is need. A RS125 needs a full service history or an owner that knows what they are doing & lots of recipts.
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PostPosted: 07:58 - 22 May 2002    Post subject: 33BHP Reply with quote

If you have a A motorbike licence you can de-restrict the bike no worries.
In fact you will find that most people de-restrict b4 they pass there test.
i would go for the nsr myself due to Honda's reliability.
But thats up to you i am not going to go into an RS v's NSR debate.
The nsr is piss easy to de-restrict and you could do it in an hour or so.
I believe the RS is a lot more difficult.
in the end its up to you my nsr does 100mph the rs about 105-110mph.
If i change one of my sprockets then i can do 110mph but i cant be arsed.
i agree though that you should make sure its a Full UK Bike as imports are a nightmare.
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PostPosted: 08:02 - 22 May 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The nsr is piss easy to de-restrict and you could do it in an hour or so.
I believe the RS is a lot more difficult.


The RS125's are full power new. You dont need to derestrict them.
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PostPosted: 15:37 - 22 May 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers guys.......I think I'll go for a NSR to start with. I found out that that the aprilia RS125 is over power even when restriced which would mean I can't ride it on L plates.

Thanks for all the info though......been a great help.
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PostPosted: 16:35 - 22 May 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

my main complaint about the RS is that the RS50 looks exactly the same as the RS125, exept a sticker that says 50 and 125

NSR is the best looking in my opinion, then the Mito, the RS comes last, but mito and rs being italian, you cant really rely on them

trust me i own an aprilia
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PostPosted: 19:16 - 22 May 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

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NSR is the best looking in my opinion, then the Mito, the RS comes last


I would have said the same until I saw the mito in the flesh. When I went to pick up some parts for my Planet I saw a yellow mito parked up round the back of the shop (I think it belonged to someone who worked there) and it looked fantastic. I mean- its a 996 replica, what more could you possibly want? Very Happy
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PostPosted: 21:28 - 22 May 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

SmokinBeats wrote:
Cheers guys.......I think I'll go for a NSR to start with. I found out that that the aprilia RS125 is over power even when restriced which would mean I can't ride it on L plates.


Hi

A learner licence used to limit you to 12hp, but it now limits you to 15hp. The RS125 in restricted for complies with the 15hp limit (acutally 11kW).

Some people have said that the RS125 when derestrcted is over the power to weight ratio limit for a 33hp licence, but not sure about that

All the best

Keith
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Ryan
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 22 May 2002    Post subject: Rs50 and RS125 Reply with quote

The RS125 has the exhaust on the other side to the RS50, the swingarms look completely different as do the frames (the RS50s look plastic). If u say the RS125 and RS50 look a like then its the same for any other bikes the world over that share paint schemes. Its the same kinda story for the NSR50 and NSR125, if u wanna start bitchin which I don't
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PostPosted: 21:46 - 22 May 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

RS50s are a lot shorter too, they look really stumpy
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PostPosted: 21:47 - 22 May 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keen wrote:
I mean- its a 996 replica, what more could you possibly want? :D

If I remember the 916 etc is a mito replica.. the designer went on from the mito to the the duke.
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PostPosted: 22:00 - 22 May 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:

If I remember the 916 etc is a mito replica.. the designer went on from the mito to the the duke.


Amoung lots of other bikes. The current Mito that looks like a 916 / 996 was designed after the Ducati, but the original Mito came out in about 1990/91. Personally think the Mito looks better than the 916.

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 13:41 - 23 May 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keith Walker wrote:

Hi

A learner licence used to limit you to 12hp, but it now limits you to 15hp. The RS125 in restricted for complies with the 15hp limit (acutally 11kW).

Some people have said that the RS125 when derestrcted is over the power to weight ratio limit for a 33hp licence, but not sure about that

All the best

Keith


Hmmm, now your making me want as Aprilia as I'm finding it a bit difficult to find a suitable NSR with low enough mileage. I heard that the Aprilia comes de-restricted when you buy it. Is this true? If so, what do you actually do to restrict the bike to lower it to below 15hp and how does it cost? Can I do it myself?

Thanks again

125 n00b
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PostPosted: 13:56 - 23 May 2002    Post subject: rs125 Reply with quote

They are full power from new. If you want to restrict it you have to unplug the powervalve. To unplug the powervalve you just have to left the tank & unplug the connector under the tank.
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PostPosted: 19:01 - 23 May 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hmmm, now your making me want as Aprilia as I'm finding it a bit difficult to find a suitable NSR with low enough mileage.


just find one with over 25k or so thats had an engine rebuild still ten times more reliable than an RS time bomb.
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PostPosted: 21:28 - 23 May 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

SmokinBeats wrote:


Hmmm, now your making me want as Aprilia as I'm finding it a bit difficult to find a suitable NSR with low enough mileage. I heard that the Aprilia comes de-restricted when you buy it. Is this true? If so, what do you actually do to restrict the bike to lower it to below 15hp and how does it cost? Can I do it myself?


Hi

Not sure how they are supplied now, but I doubt that they should be supplied as full power. The old 12hp restriction involved a blanking plate in the power valve position, plus not fitting the power valve. The parts to derestrict were supplied to the original supplying dealer to give to the customer when they could supply proof they had passed their tests.

However, the 2 Aprilias I have bought new, the first (an AF1 Futura) was restricted and the power valve arrived a few days after I picked it up. The second came as full power. Both were new official imports

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 21:37 - 23 May 2002    Post subject: ? Reply with quote

OK. I can't decide whether to get an NSR125 or a RS125. Where do you know of where i could purchase a RS125 full power or one supplied with a power valve seperately? The dealer would also have to deliver (I don' mind paying a delivery fee).
I ain't too bike literate and would probably get ripped if a dealer said this was that pat has a cat. Basically i would be taking them for their word.
Rgds.
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PostPosted: 21:51 - 23 May 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

With the NSR there are difficult to fix problems with imports. With the RS most markets are fairly similar (although some markets get tiny carbs). The only thing I can think of to say is to make sure that you check that it does have the power valve parts fitted or supplied, and get this written onto the receipt (or that they will supply them when you have passed your test).

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 07:31 - 24 May 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keith Walker wrote:


Hi

Not sure how they are supplied now, but I doubt that they should be supplied as full power. The old 12hp restriction involved a blanking plate in the power valve position, plus not fitting the power valve. The parts to derestrict were supplied to the original supplying dealer to give to the customer when they could supply proof they had passed their tests.



UK bikes have a powervalve fitted new. If you dont have a full licence then they either remove the powervalve & fit a blanking plate or what a lot do now is just unplug the powervalve.
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PostPosted: 07:42 - 24 May 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, excuse my dumbness. If all they do is unplug the powervalve, is it just a case of reattaching it for that ton mph goodness. I really want to buy a bike soon (now!!!) but i want one that will run full power.
Also, this is to all viewers - Do you know of any good dealers who will deliver the bike to my house? I need a bike but there are no decent dealers in my area so ordering over the phone may be the only way.
Regards.
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PostPosted: 08:28 - 24 May 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

with regards to the liecence and derestriction thing, its legal to derestrict the bike as long as it doesent exceed 33bhp and u got th 2yr standard restricted licence, but the bike has to be up to or less then 33bhp or 133kw power to weight ratio thingy, i cant remember the exact figure but i know tht some police who are real wankers, have dun people for the rs being restricted because even though its got 33bhp its power to weight ratio exceeds the licence limits, so if ur gettin a rs be careful.
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PostPosted: 08:30 - 24 May 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could always try dans motorcycles in Stone (thats not too far is it), they usually have loads of 125s in there!
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PostPosted: 10:52 - 24 May 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

RS125 aint over the limit becuase although aprilia claim 33bhp they make 28bhp to 30bhp.

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all they do is unplug the powervalve, is it just a case of reattaching it for that ton mph goodness. I really want to buy a bike soon (now!!!) but i want one that will run full power


As long as you buy one with the powervalve fitted you just need to plug it in.
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PostPosted: 18:55 - 25 May 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

rs125 wrote:
RS125 aint over the limit becuase although aprilia claim 33bhp they make 28bhp to 30bhp.


Not sure what Aprilia claim these days (they spent years not claiming any power output), but the 28hp figure is at the wheel, while the law refers to the power measured at the crank

All the best

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PostPosted: 12:52 - 26 May 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aprilia did do an RS125 SP that i think was a limited edition. For this they claimed 36bhp according to a bike mag i have. That aint too far behind a 125 crosser, so i guess the motor aint gonna last forever in that state of tune.
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