Just what, exactly, is the point?

[Hetzer]

Are there any govt guidelines or directives on just what is the point of life?

Well duh, isn't it obvious?

Well no, it's not actually, not when the issue pertains to governance.

Without an actual point how can it be possible to form a society and pass rational laws? Answer...it can't.

Which explains the absolute fvckwittery that passes for law & order and associated govt incompetance, nazism and general oppression.

Discuss.
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[Kickstart]

Hi

Personally there is no actual point. We are the result of millions of years worth of chemical lucky breaks.

The nearest thing there is to a point is the continuation of the species. Which happens with very little effort, and the continuation of the species purely for the sake of the continuation of the species is itself pointless.

Beyond that any purpose in life, and hence governance, is purely down to what the individuals want.

All the best

Keith
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[Hetzer]

[Kickstart]

[igiyf]

there is a pointttt, its been taken away over time..its still there just few know it,operating systems have been installed instead.

soo pathetically bored of all this government shit coming in from all directions the higher u go the more corrupt it gets no ones got a clue losing my belief in reincarnation as theres no way id of put my self in this joke or perhaps i got lost in the tunnel of light due to taking advantage of the abundant supply of god like dmt and took a wrong turning and landed here blaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Hetzer]

[Kickstart]

Hi

I haven't claimed that I am not motivated by pleasure. Just that motivation by pleasure is a subset of peoples motivations in life.

Some are driven by the need for power or the wish to inflict pain on others irrespective of any pleasure in it for them. Look at those on death row fighting to continue to live a miserable life.

All the best

Keith
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[Hetzer]

[Kickstart]

[Hetzer]

They are not assumptions Keith, unless you choose to believe that not all electric motors are driven by electricity.
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[Kickstart]

Hi

Afraid you are indulging in a circular argument.

Your argument is effectively that all electric motors are driven by electricity, hence all motors are driven by electricity. A major and totalyl unsupportable assumption.

All the best

Keith
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[Hetzer]

[Kickstart]

[pa_broon74]

The point of life is ego.

Everything we do, however selfless we do because it makes us feel good, this is not to be confused with pleasure though.

Ego is responsible for man's selfish assumption that there is a point to life, the fact is, there isn't, atleast not in any tangible sense. Our existance begins and ends with Kickstart's lucky chemical breaks.

Now that we are here, its down to ego. While necessity is responsible for a great deal of invention, the people who did the inventing did so for kudos, monetary gain or possibly even charity.

Irregardless, it all has it's motivation in ego. Money spells power and success, kudos directly feeds the ego with the adulation of your peers, even charitable acts are inherently selfish in that we do them because it gives us a warm rosey glow, which makes us feel good about ourselves.

Its all about varying shades of egotism, the more egotistical you are the more successful you're likely to be, this is as much true for Hitler as it is/was for any saint you care to mention; the only difference being the outcome of their acts.


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Didn't catch anything.

[Hetzer]

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[Kickstart]

[Hetzer]

[Kickstart]

[pa_broon74]

You've taken it a bit out of context, let me expand.

Pleasure is but one of many feelings that feeds your ego, pride is another, for some its pain and suffering.

I take your point though, pleasure is a great driving force, but it's only one of many that feeds your ego, as mentioned before; pride, pain and suffering, love, charity, cruelty, hatred.

If you want to quantify the meaning of life with a feeling it would have to be satisfaction, it covers all input into the ego (including pleasure) and encapsulates the ideal human condition, (which is entirely relative to the individual.)

I suppose, in a sense, the point of life is to assuage our ego. Which is a wee bit sad, but there you go. If there was no ego, there would be no war, jealousy, hatred, pride etc etc etc. But there would also be no human advancement because its largely driven by the same things.


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Didn't catch anything.

[Hetzer]

And what does the achievement of power give? Pleasure.

What does inflicting pain on others give? Pleasure. Maybe in the act itself, or for something obtained by it (information, revenge etc).

Living, to be able to continue experiencing what small pleasures are left while imprisoned.

This is not just my motivation Keith, it's everyones motivation. You, clearly, haven't even scratched the surface with your analysis. Think deep, and stop assuming different peoples brains work differently at fundamental levels. Your motivation is everyones motivation, at the root. Think about it and stop confusing acts and achievements as an end to thekmselves. How could they possibly be so, if they were nobody would do them. Seek power, simply for the sake of power? Where's the motivation in that?! Go for a drive in the country, simply for the sake of it? WTF?!

Pa-Broon...

Pride = pleasure.

There is sometimes a direct correlation...eating an ice-cream, direct simple sensory pleasure.

Cleaning dog-shit off your shoe...the pleasure of having a clean shoe.

Pleasure inhabits a wide spectrum, from very simple to deeply complex. But it's the root of all human motivation regardless. Every single thing we do is motivated by the search for pleasure. Physical, mental, spiritual.

You do really have to THINK about it to see it. And not by observing and questioning and analysing others. All you have to do is think about why YOU do something, then apply what you find to every other human being. It's hard-wired, it can't be different from person to person. It's not something that varies from person to person, it's hard-coded in the physical structure of the brain. Without it no person could function.

Try it, as an experiment...every time you do something, ask yourself "why am I doing this?" If it's not a first-level act/motivation go to the next level. Then the next, as necessary, until you find the root. It'll be there, you'll always find it. Pleasure.
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[Kickstart]

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