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McJamweasel
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PostPosted: 23:05 - 30 Sep 2003    Post subject: Safer Filtering Reply with quote
We all do it, its part of riding but filtering is also one of the more dangerous things we do. Heres how to make it safer.

Take it slow, generally I filter at no more than 20mph if the traffic is still and 30mph if its moving. If you are going faster than you reduce your chances of being able to react in time if someone does pull out. You also open yourself up to dangerous riding charges.

Look for gaps in the traffic where cars could pull out. If there is a gap slow down and keep a look out for cars pulling out of side streets or changing lanes. Look for cars on the other side of the road flashing drivers out.

Consider putting your main beam on in the daylight. It wont be bright enough to dazzle the drivers but will draw their eye to you in their mirrors.

Cover your front brake, this will help you react quicker if something does happen.

Check your mirrors occaisionally, there might be a biker behind you that wants to go faster than you are.

Anything I've missed?
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Ian (GPX)
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PostPosted: 23:37 - 30 Sep 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yeah, you missed one !

Watch out for pedestians and or dogs walking / running accross the road too, take extra care with lorries and buses cos you wont see them until it's too late if they walk / run out in front of you, it's really hard to see over a bus or lorry or big (high) van.

Also look out for cycles, push bikes can also pop out when you don't expect them.
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PostPosted: 00:41 - 01 Oct 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote
Watch out for white lines inbetween lanes, especially in cold/wet conditions.

If in doubt, take it easy and stay back. Try to look for drivers' eyes in their mirrors to judge what they're likely to do.

Also, try to give (good) gestures where appropriate as it can really have positive effects on the cagers. Wink
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PostPosted: 10:02 - 01 Oct 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote
Backfires help alert drivers to your filtering. ALWAYS ride with your lights on anyways Razz Wing mirrors are a collectors item. it's like the stamps on the side of wartime bombers. Revving you bike (If it's loud) is a good way to get careless cagers to move out of your way. As is knocking on their window with carbon/kevlar covered knuckles.
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PostPosted: 12:15 - 01 Oct 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote
When I filter I look for right turn offs and immediately slow down when going past one, while looking intensely for flashing indicators.
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PostPosted: 19:12 - 01 Oct 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote
When ducking under the open door of a stationary lorry, don't forget the extra height created by your rucksack, and the fact that it has an easily-snagged loop handle. Embarassed Very Happy
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 02 Oct 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote
Deano wrote:
When I filter I look for right turn offs and immediately slow down when going past one, while looking intensely for flashing indicators.


And left turn-offs in case the car your filtering past has stopped to let someone in or out.

Observation observation observation! Shocked
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PostPosted: 11:00 - 02 Oct 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yeah I do watch out for that aswell I just forget to mention it.
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PostPosted: 21:47 - 08 Oct 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote
Demonic69 wrote:
Backfires help alert drivers to your filtering. ALWAYS ride with your lights on anyways Razz Wing mirrors are a collectors item. it's like the stamps on the side of wartime bombers. Revving you bike (If it's loud) is a good way to get careless cagers to move out of your way. As is knocking on their window with carbon/kevlar covered knuckles.


Actually you shouldn always drive with your lights on! It not only dazzles other drivers it also makes it difficult for them to judge how far away you are and how fast you are travelling; only use your lights when you'd expect a normal driver to! If your driving carefully and are positioning yourself correctly the other drivers will see you perfectly clear.
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PostPosted: 22:11 - 08 Oct 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote
iheartpie wrote:
Demonic69 wrote:
Backfires help alert drivers to your filtering. ALWAYS ride with your lights on anyways Razz Wing mirrors are a collectors item. it's like the stamps on the side of wartime bombers. Revving you bike (If it's loud) is a good way to get careless cagers to move out of your way. As is knocking on their window with carbon/kevlar covered knuckles.


Actually you shouldn't always drive with your lights on! It not only dazzles other drivers it also makes it difficult for them to judge how far away you are and how fast you are travelling; only use your lights when you'd expect a normal driver to! If your driving carefully and are positioning yourself correctly the other drivers will see you perfectly clear.


Imo driving with lights on in daylight is worthwhile.
If your dipped beams are adjusted properly they should not dazzle other drivers, especially in day light. I can see what you mean about it being more difficult for them to judge distance/speed, but at least they have seen you, if they are unsure of your distance/speed they should wait before turning out, or making whatever manoeuver they were going to make.

I would advise also it you are filtering on a motorway, to try to avoid cats eyes, they will be a severe braking hazard.

Also if on a motorway and filtering through stationery traffic it is worth sounding your horn every 5 seconds or so as this will warn any people thinking if getting out of their cars, or perhaps already out of their cars that you are coming.
I hate people who get out of there cars during a traffic jam on a motorway, if there's not already a law against it, there should be. Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 22:14 - 08 Oct 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm sure there is. Just because the traffic has stopped doesnt make it legal to do anything, and pedestrians are illegal on the motorway anyway for a good reason!
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PostPosted: 22:19 - 08 Oct 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ste wrote:
pedestrians are illegal on the motorway anyway for a good reason!


They're not fast enough? Neutral
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PostPosted: 22:39 - 08 Oct 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote
Safer Filtering = Unfaired bike with no mirrors.
The only restriction is your elbows Very Happy
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PostPosted: 22:52 - 08 Oct 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote
Dusty wrote:
Imo driving with lights on in daylight is worthwhile.
If your dipped beams are adjusted properly they should not dazzle other drivers, especially in day light. I can see what you mean about it being more difficult for them to judge distance/speed, but at least they have seen you, if they are unsure of your distance/speed they should wait before turning out, or making whatever manoeuver they were going to make.


Hi

I do ride with my headlight on during the day. It is advised in the Highway Code and I don't want to give an insurance company any reasons to avoid paying out.

However it does screw up peoples perceptions of speed. Also hitting a bump will lift the front of the bike up and make it appear that you have flashed your headlight to let someone out.

I hate it when people use main beam during the day. It really can easily dazzle you.

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 23:09 - 08 Oct 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote
I dont really ride with a head light on in the day to be honest.
As of what keith said they cannot judge speed so well.

and saying that thing about suspension i over took a punto the once and thought she was flashing me when i looked behind, so i pulled over only to realise it was just her beam / sus bobing
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PostPosted: 09:57 - 09 Oct 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote
I ride with my lights on 24/7. The couldn't be turned off on the RF (And that may be being brought in over here AFAIK). I think most cagers recognise lights on during the day as a biker.

Also, if a ped gets out of a car on the motorway they break about 6 laws by the time their foot touches the tarmac Very Happy
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PostPosted: 01:38 - 13 Oct 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote
hi
in stationary traffic watch for turned front wheels, its always a good sign that there about to try and kill you Very Happy

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Bloody bikers.

Sit in the queue like us wonderful cars drivers have to.

You have us all wrong you know...we would LOVE to share our traffic jams with you, but you lot are just too ungrateful to appreciate it.

Its a damn cheek that you 'orrible lot get to jump the queue. Shouldn't be allowed.

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aww u poor car drivers trapped in your traffic Sad
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PostPosted: 00:22 - 21 Oct 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote
amnesia wrote:
we would LOVE to share our traffic jams with you


Laughing

Generally, you are the traffic jam. Wink
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PostPosted: 17:09 - 11 Nov 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kickstart wrote:


Hi

I do ride with my headlight on during the day. It is advised in the Highway Code and I don't want to give an insurance company any reasons to avoid paying out.

However it does screw up peoples perceptions of speed. Also hitting a bump will lift the front of the bike up and make it appear that you have flashed your headlight to let someone out.

I hate it when people use main beam during the day. It really can easily dazzle you.

All the best

Keith


You had better hope then that you are not involved in an accident which I am required to investigate as I may hold the displaying of headlights as a contributing factor to causation depending onthe circumstances. (unless of course they are constantly on due to the new ideas the jap factories have of displaying lights all the time in which case one of the major factories may well get sued.)

There are numerous cases of accidents being caused as a result of headlights being displayed, not least of which is the fact that many car drivers have difficulty perceiving speed and distance of bikes approaching with headlights displayed.

There are also cases where someone has thought they are being flashed out (which I know they shouldn't act on) but what has really happened is that the bike has hit an undulation in the road and it appears they have been flashed.

Sidelights in good conditions are a much better option as they are bright enoughto draw your attention to other road users, but not bright enough to confuse, and if youin addition wear something like a brightly coloured helmet, you will be even more visible.

I probably get about 100 cases a year where the use of a headlight in daylight condiotions has directly attributed to the cause of the accident, and most people display headlights for no other reason than the fact that they have a mate down the pub who told them that they must display it or because their CBT instructor said they must.

It is all about using the equipment available in appropriate situations, and bright daylight conditions is not always one of them.

The Highway code advises the displaying of headlights, and in fact they are wrong on a number of issues, for example the wearing of a white helmet. It has been proven by scientists that in quite a few situations, the helmet blends in with the background and cannot be seen at all, and yet they still insist on wearing a white helmet. It is not law it is advice.

As far as filtering is concerned, ensure that you do not cross over or straddle a solid white line system (even if cars are queued in stationary traffic as they are still deemed to be moving).

Do not filter when between a no overtaking sign.

Beware of vehicles intending to turn right travelling in either the same or in opposite directions and do not cause another vehicle to alter course or speed.

There is various case law regarding people who have had accidents whilst filtering, but if you follow those general rules you won't go far wrong.

Bear in mind also that a nearside overtake (undertake) on a Motorway is also legal contrary to what other people might tell you, and if you obtain a copy of edition 3 of Motorcycle Voyager at the NEC this week my column explains it in more detail.
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PostPosted: 17:14 - 11 Nov 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote
Some very interesting points T.C. but we were all told on our tests (by the examiner as well) that headlights must be on at daytime. Not sidelights either. How come the information hasn't been passed down to these levels where it is undoubtably of utmost importance, seeing as newbie bikers are already very vulnerable.

(Not specifically aimed at T.C btw)
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PostPosted: 17:18 - 11 Nov 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kris wrote:
Some very interesting points T.C. but we were all told on our tests (by the examiner as well) that headlights must be on at daytime. Not sidelights either. How come the information hasn't been passed down to these levels where it is undoubtably of utmost importance, seeing as newbie bikers are already very vulnerable.

(Not specifically aimed at T.C btw)


The use of headlights on test is a DSA requirement so the examiners have to comply with their masters requirements.

Most of what is required ontest is about 10 years out of date which is why if you ever take any advanced training you will be told to forget about 95% of what you learnt for that test.
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So the Highway code's 'advice' is wrong, and the DSA's requirements are dangerous.... Confused


hmmm maybe the government should look at this first before changing anything else motorcycle related Confused
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Kris wrote:
So the Highway code's 'advice' is wrong, and the DSA's requirements are dangerous.... Confused


hmmm maybe the government should look at this first before changing anything else motorcycle related Confused


Yes on both counts Rolling Eyes

Trouble is that because they are the licencing authority for the UK, and even though it has been pointed out to them that they are wrong on a whole number of points they will not accept that they are wrong, which is par for the course when it comes to Government Agencies.
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