America - The land of the --------?

[Polarbear]

OK, we've had multiple shootings and still America would rather allow guns than try to stop people being shot - simplistic view.

Now we have abortion being made illegal and what a mess it is.

It's another emotive subject and whichever way you look there are rights and wrongs that are open to debate. Is a fetus classed as a being or just a bunch of cells. Who has the right to tell a woman what to do with her body, etc. etc.

From an outside point of view from someone who has never had to make any sort of decision like that I would say the dangers of back street illegal abortions totally outweigh the plusses of stopping the murder of the fetus (inflammitary words used on purpose).

I really never thought USA would go down the route Catholic Ireland did with all it's associatedproblems. So how do you resolve this one?

Oh, and a picture that sort of rankled with me a bit. The pro abortionist waving a poster that says 'Abortion is a human right'. Hmm, obviously not for the baby though?

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/6799/production/_125612562_microsoftteams-image-4.png
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as far as i can tell abortions arent being banned. the choice is being given to individual states on whether or not to allow them.
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[Nobby the Bastard]

13 of those states had trigger laws in place that banned abortion immediately after thenzupreme court decisio n was announced. Other states also have laws drafted ready to be passed.

Loads of abortion clinics had to immediately close with no warning.
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[Polarbear]

^^^If that's actually how it stands, which I 'm not sure it does^^^

If in your words, nothing really has changed, then why are people getting so hot nder the collar about it?

The way I interpret it is that the court has said that abortion is unconstitutional and a lot of states are anti abortion so will implement the no abortion rule, some with some caveats (rape etc.) , some with none but it certainly doesn't seem a 'life goes on the same' to me.
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[Nobby the Bastard]

To correct you slightly, the supreme Court has said that the right to have an abortion isn't guaranteed by the constitution.

Federal law on it could override individual states laws.
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[Nobby the Bastard]

The best bit is one of the justices in the majority side and actually said the same view should apply to gay sex and gay marriage conveniently ignored the fact the Same principle would appy to interracial marriage.

Guess what.
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[Easy-X]

People are losing their shit because the plebs lives aren't being controlled by central government. You can't have states making their own rules to the benefit of citizens as you end up with ppl migrating from shit-holes like California and moving to Texas and Florida. Looks very bad for the whole Utopian project.
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[Nobby the Bastard]

Actually they would be migrating in the opposite direction.
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[chickenstrip]

[M.C]

Can I be the one to ask the distasteful questions as usual?

Considering guns are mainly used by white men to kill themselves, and by black men to kill each other:
https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/FT_22.01.26_GunDeaths_1.png?w=200https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8f/Age_adjusted_US_suicide_rate_by_race_1981-2016.png/800px-Age_adjusted_US_suicide_rate_by_race_1981-2016.png

...and abortions are disproportionately taken by blacks, hispanics, and other ethnic minorities (I think some black women actually use it as birth control), plus I'd assume more liberals than conservatives:

https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/default/files/395-351.png

Why are predominantly white republicans pro-gun and anti-abortion?

[Easy-X]

People relocate from the pro-life to the pro-death states, pro-life states fail, everyone's happy surely?

Just proves my point: ppl losing their shit 'cos no central control. Wow, is thinking for yourself that dangerous? No, no... it's "Oh Joe, govern me harder!"
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[mentalboy]

I wonder what will happen when the right wing circle jerkers realise that their 'pro-life' stance has fucked up their chances of breeding using IVF in states with legislation like Texas.
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[M.C]

The adoption argument was key to the abortion debate they had a year or so back, you'd have institutions all over the place

One interesting thing I noticed when getting the stats above is the abortion rate in the US has been falling anyway...

https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/default/files/styles/scale_900x720/public/images/381.apc_august_2019_rate.png?itok=DarahE_r

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[Nobby the Bastard]

It;'s hardly a child, it's a collection of cells with no consciousness for at least the first 13 weeks and isn't viable until at least 26 weeks.
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[Islander]

[Islander]

Well it looks like the Taliban SCOTUS and the Hard right religious nutters have badly miscalculated on this.

Corporations that have said they'll pay for their employees to travel to get legal abortions and other medical care:

There are no doubt others but these are the big names.

Citibank
J P Morgan
Goldman Sachs
Disney
Amazon
Yelp
Conde Nast (Vogue)
Lyft
Uber

Tsk tsk that left wing banking lot eh?

[chickenstrip]

I don't get why this is such an important issue for those replying in this thread. I haven't seen any women reply here yet. I suspect here it is merely about political tribalism, since my guess is no one here is affected by any of it. Strikes as me as a bit dumb to get worked up over something you're not affected by.
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