PIP vouchers instead of cash

[King29]

https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/time-running-out-to-challenge-pip-vouchers

Apparently those on PIP are to receive vouchers like they do in Australia, no longer cash in bank but vouchers. I don't claim PIP but for those that do; the 22nd of this month is the last day to have your say on the matter.

[Polarbear]

The moneys run out for any government. Radical rethinking of how people get benefits needs to be implemented. read the comments on the link and it's 'my money' 'my human rights' etc. People rightly or wrongly expect to be looked after by the state nowadays.

My view is that maybe a basic wage for everyone is the way to go but if that's the case, that's it. Nothing else. You live on that or get some extra work or starve. No other hand outs.

Never going to happen though.
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i know of several people claiming pip who shouldnt be.

one of my neighbours got the disability car and rented it out to her daughter.

its taking the piss how much they are given.
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[stinkwheel]

The thrust of the argument seems to be that people want to be able to spend the pip on fags and booze if they want to rather than it being ring-fenced for management of their disability?

I'm personally witholding judgement until I've seen what exactly these vouchers can be spent on. I'd imagine for people with a genuine diability, it probably doesn't cover those expenses anyway so vouchers or cash should be matterless either way.

My main concern would be a third party (presumably a mate or relative or shell company of the incumbent health minister) being in a monopoly situation then milking the system by giving poor value for the voucher spend.
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[Easy-X]

My daughter's on the PIP thing but she as least has several crumbling vertebrae to complain about. She's not fussed about vouchers and stuff as she only spends her money on what it was intended for rather than feeding vices.

With regards to the moral question of vouchers instead of money, the more Left-leaning (Frankfurt School) economists would say you're removing people's agency i.e. it's "cruel" whereas the more Right-leaning (Austrian School) would correctly observe that most people are idiots and granting them agency is a waste.

For example, we often hear of lottery winners going bankrupt 'cos they have no clue in managing their money. Conversely I personally know a couple that got 5 numbers + bonus ball (a few hundred grand) but they already had a few businesses between them so they bought another pub.

tl;dr people with no concept of self-sacrifice or delayed gratification shouldn't be let anywhere near "free" money.
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[Fat Angry Scotsman]

I actually wholly agree it should not be paid in cash.

I saw in the article people were saying they use it buy nice food and shit when it's not for that, it's to offset additional costs related to your disability not to give you a better live than someone who's not disabled.

Take it off them.

Saw some pressure group moaning that's £400 a month away from 424,000 claimants. Fucking brilliant in my book, just saved the country £2.5 billion a year then.
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[Skudd]

Most by me are on PIP and far healthier than I am. I've been told that I would sail through, but I haven't even thought about it as I'm able to do most things, except it takes longer, I'm more knackered when I do things and it can take ages to get myself to do it. I'm on loads of drugs, even more now I have the joys of a second Cancer.
Those that are on it seem to have a full and active life.
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[struan80]

I'm on benefits and get allowance as a carer for my 22 year old disabled son. He gets pip. We are rolling around in cash...... Aye right. worked for 35 years paying tax so don't feel guilty. Wish I could go offshore again but it's not going to happen

Spent every spare penny of my savings on motorcycles. Losing lots of cash selling and buying. Is that a luxury? I suppose it is.

Some of you fuckers have no idea.

[Nobby the Bastard]

Is surviving living? Just being feed and having your arse wiped isn't living. Disabled people need to be suppported so they can live a life worth living.
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[Nobby the Bastard]

You seem to think (like Polarbear) that I have a hatred of pensioners. I don't. What I do acknowledge is the fact that they need lots of care, which inevitably costs.

This has to be provided and has to paid for in both workforce and money.
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[Robby]

Even ignoring the ethics and opinions of switching to vouchers, it would impractical and expensive.

Every shop accepts money in exchange for goods or services. It's what money is for. Every shop has the necessary equipment to handle money in its various forms.

Vouchers would need a whole additional payment processing system. It would have to be resilient against fraud and theft, provide high availability, and all of those other things you expect from a payment processing system. All of this is expensive.

If shops have to pay for the infrastructure, they would only do so if it brought in enough business to be worthwhile. Alternatively you provide public funding, and then the taxpayer is just paying more for the same outcome, but with the addition of punishing poor people.

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[Nobby the Bastard]

Easy is singlehandedly responsible for the massive dividends I get on my tin foil shares.
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