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PostPosted: 20:03 - 24 Nov 2024    Post subject: Petition - Call a General Election Reply with quote

I chuckled the other day when it got to 100,000. Now, at time of writing, 1.4 million Shocked

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/700143

Now obviously no election will be called off the back of this but it's going to be interesting to see how they avoid calling a debate in parliament Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:32 - 24 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

"You lost, get over it"

Job done.
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PostPosted: 20:34 - 24 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was (and still am) willing to give Labour a chance. The tories have had time and really done jack sh1t.

They've done the nasty things first. I bet when we get near the end of this term they will suddenly find the money to give pensioners a big boost or farmers some sort of relief. It's just the way the game is played.

Those petitions are a joke. Something to make the plebs think they really have a say..
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PostPosted: 22:18 - 24 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
"You lost, get over it"

Job done.


Agreed, the "you" being the UK electorate as a whole Sad

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PostPosted: 07:35 - 25 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel they haven't given much thought to what they'd do if sucessful in having a repeat election.

To be a worthwhile exercise, there would need to be somebody out there who is both willing and capable of doing a better job. As much as I dislike Starmer, nobody currently springs to mind. I'm not a Labour supporter but I sure as hell wouldn't want Badenoch in charge.
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PostPosted: 08:06 - 25 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

My sense is that the petition is lead by the those with far right views who try to portray themselves as a silent majority, i.e. those who thought Brexit would reverse immigration and us 'indigenous' Englishmen would be able to live life in some 'Vicar of Dibley' pastiche where the only acceptable darkies are those serving us at the corner shop and Poles can work here for fuck-all then go home again.
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PostPosted: 08:21 - 25 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

The petition now stands at 1.8 million and I daresay it will blow past 2 million by the end of the day. Browsing previous petitions, the only comparable numbers in the last decade were Remoaner reactions to Brexit and "End Child Poverty" (which garnered just over a million). Noting we have a government pointedly not elected by the people of these lands, I think the question being asked with the petition is WTF do you do when your own government sells you out?

The farmers' thing is only the latest but it started with winter fuel payments; both policies came with a very clear "Fuck You" attached. But in between we have the Police going round, knocking on doors for saying Hurty Words on Twitter and, in a re-run of the Russia Revolution, criminals are being let out of jail in favour of political prisoners. And to cap it all off The Rest of the World is laughing at us on the Social Medias Sad

Again, WTF do you do when your own government sells you out?

Even the Guardian thinks it's a bad idea:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jul/02/labour-plans-britain-private-finance-blackrock

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This land of such dear souls, this dear dear land,
Dear for her reputation through the world,
Is now leased out, I die pronouncing it,
Like to a tenement or pelting farm:
England, bound in with the triumphant sea
Whose rocky shore beats back the envious siege
Of watery Neptune, is now bound in with shame,
With inky blots and rotten parchment bonds:
That England, that was wont to conquer others,
Hath made a shameful conquest of itself.
Ah, would the scandal vanish with my life,
How happy then were my ensuing death!

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PostPosted: 08:35 - 25 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cosying up to Blackrock is like the PFI Blair was keen on but in overdrive.
It sounds sort of OK until you point out the cost is several times higher.
And you are effectively selling the country to multinational corporation.

This is why they like the idea of hundreds of farms being sold off due to absurdly unaffordable tax demands.
Vulture capitalist swill swoop in on these and get their way with any development they like such as housing and wind/solar/wilding.
You can just eat the protein sludge they also make in a factory somewhere.

Starmer publicly stated he was more interested in dealing with the nice WEF people in Davos than Westminster.
He also said the quiet part out loud specifically mentioning Blackrock rather than 'private finance'.
They have been nobbled, something suspicious happened when Bill Gates was here a few weeks ago.
He got his orders.

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PostPosted: 09:44 - 25 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there any evidence that any of these "petitions" have actually lead to a change in any law/policy for the whole time they have been running

I'd be interested to know how many of these 2 million odd signatories are actual Labour voters though.............. i'd hazard a guess that there are very few, if any, which makes the whole petition even more pointless
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PostPosted: 10:11 - 25 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

rpsmith79 wrote:
Is there any evidence that any of these "petitions" have actually lead to a change in any law/policy for the whole time they have been running


"When it suits" I suppose. Starmer will doubtless point to the post-Brexit petitions when he grovels to the EU. On the flip side I'd say Markus Rashford did more to highlight child poverty than any petition.
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PostPosted: 22:38 - 25 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diggs wrote:
My sense is that the petition is lead by the those with far right views who try to portray themselves as a silent majority, i.e. those who thought Brexit would reverse immigration and us 'indigenous' Englishmen would be able to live life in some 'Vicar of Dibley' pastiche where the only acceptable darkies are those serving us at the corner shop and Poles can work here for fuck-all then go home again.


And what's wrong with that? Why do we have to 'love' the dilution of Britain by cultures that have nothing in common? Cockneys have gone. The areas that were cockney are now, as Herr Khan would trumpet, are multicultural.

If you went to somewhere like say New Zealand, and displaced Maoris with another culture the howls would be epic, despite NZ Maoris being more modern then the Cockney culture.
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PostPosted: 23:17 - 25 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diggs wrote:
My sense is that the petition is lead by the those with far right views who try to portray themselves as a silent majority

Careful now, they might be people who are disappointed in Starmer rather than far right Donks.
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PostPosted: 00:07 - 26 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diggs wrote:
My sense is that the petition is lead by the those with far right views who try to portray themselves as a silent majority, i.e. those who thought Brexit would reverse immigration

It did...

https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/ftcms%3A303c8c44-f3d0-11e8-ae55-df4bf40f9d0d?source=next-article&fit=scale-down&quality=highest&width=700&dpr=1

Then our traitorous leaders increased non-EU immigration to makeup for the drop in immigration, proving it was never this nebulous thing they were struggling to control but entirely intentional.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/976/cpsprodpb/67D6/production/_109928562_migration-nc.png


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and us 'indigenous' Englishmen would be able to live life in some 'Vicar of Dibley' pastiche where the only acceptable darkies are those serving us at the corner shop and Poles can work here for fuck-all then go home again.

Why did you put indigenous in quotation marks? All of the ethnic groups that make up the people of these islands, have been here longer than other groups considered indigenous... 'Maori protest against bill to alter Indigenous rights'

Also for the record darkies as you call them don't run the local cornershops even in black areas.
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PostPosted: 00:23 - 26 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
I was (and still am) willing to give Labour a chance. The tories have had time and really done jack sh1t.

They've done the nasty things first. I bet when we get near the end of this term they will suddenly find the money to give pensioners a big boost or farmers some sort of relief. It's just the way the game is played.

Those petitions are a joke. Something to make the plebs think they really have a say..

It's just another way to show how unpopular Starmer is (still just a few months after the election). I get not caring about pensioners or rural farmers cos they're historically Tory voters, but Starmer has proven himself a pureblood Vogon...

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PostPosted: 00:49 - 26 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do the Israelis fight so viciously? It must be nice to have a homeland to call your own...
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PostPosted: 07:45 - 26 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
Why do the Israelis fight so viciously? It must be nice to have a homeland to call your own...


They like having homelands a lot. Having got one, they wanted more and just took it. Unfortunately it's not all theirs and the Palestinians like having one too.
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PostPosted: 08:37 - 26 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://newsthump.com/2024/11/25/petition-to-remove-keir-starmer-from-office-helpfully-providing-a-nice-long-list-of-the-nations-dumbest-imbeciles/


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But social media appears to have changed this. Suddenly idiots from all walks of life are outing themselves by publicly signing the most moronic petition this country has ever seen.
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PostPosted: 16:20 - 26 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Artist wrote:
https://newsthump.com/2024/11/25/petition-to-remove-keir-starmer-from-office-helpfully-providing-a-nice-long-list-of-the-nations-dumbest-imbeciles/


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But social media appears to have changed this. Suddenly idiots from all walks of life are outing themselves by publicly signing the most moronic petition this country has ever seen.

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PostPosted: 16:30 - 26 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Easy-X wrote:
Why do the Israelis fight so viciously? It must be nice to have a homeland to call your own...


They like having homelands a lot. Having got one, they wanted more and just took it. Unfortunately it's not all theirs and the Palestinians like having one too.

Well Stalin also gave them a region, around the same a certain Austrian was encouraging their transfer to Palestine.

https://images1.ynet.co.il/PicServer5/2018/01/17/8288183/82544074960100640360no.jpg
https://www.aljazeera.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/immigrationchart.jpeg?w=770&resize=770%2C433

I think Easy's point was more Jews are all too aware of what can happen, when you don't have your own country and rely on the benevolence of others.
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PostPosted: 18:02 - 26 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think Easy's point was more Jews are all too aware of what can happen, when you don't have your own country and rely on the benevolence of others.


Quite, although at the moment we're living through the malevolence of others Sad
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PostPosted: 20:26 - 26 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
I think Easy's point was more Jews are all too aware of what can happen, when you don't have your own country and rely on the benevolence of others.

You’d think though, that having experienced the worst things mankind can do to another, they’d have a bit more compassion. There’s fault on both sides but, for example, the aggressive, illegal and immoral land grabs by Israelis suggest the lesson they learned from the Holocaust was do unto others before they do it to you.

Mind you, it’s always the same. Look at all those groups “unified” beneath the rainbow flag. They all hate each other.
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PostPosted: 21:47 - 26 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You’d think though, that having experienced the worst things mankind can do to another, they’d have a bit more compassion.

It would be nice but I think the opposite is true. The most compassionate people are typically those who haven't experienced horrible things, and I think specifically with Israel/Palestine both sides see it as a fight for survival, which at this point it kinda is with their respective regimes.

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
There’s fault on both sides but, for example, the aggressive, illegal and immoral land grabs by Israelis suggest the lesson they learned from the Holocaust was do unto others before they do it to you.

I think a lot of that comes more from religious/right-wing Jews. Secular Jews like Yitzhak Rabin seemed to want peace.
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PostPosted: 22:30 - 26 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think a lot of that comes more from religious/right-wing Jews. Secular Jews like Yitzhak Rabin seemed to want peace.


And a lot of Israelis in Israel will be totally opposed to any peace because they will think Hamas/Hezbollah or whoever will regroup and come back time and time again. They don't give a flying fuck about civilians, why should Israel?

It's obvious that Israel is a country which means they have to abide by international law (maybe) while all the Arab groups are so called terrorists who no one has any control over so lets all just get on Israels back.
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PostPosted: 00:23 - 27 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
And a lot of Israelis in Israel will be totally opposed to any peace because they will think Hamas/Hezbollah or whoever will regroup and come back time and time again. They don't give a flying fuck about civilians, why should Israel?

Well then we go back to our conversation the other day, who funded Hamas?

Polarbear wrote:
It's obvious that Israel is a country which means they have to abide by international law (maybe) while all the Arab groups are so called terrorists who no one has any control over so lets all just get on Israels back.

Israel is the one that gets to have a nuclear programme and nuclear weapons, whilst everyone pretends they don't so they can still receive billions in US aid.
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 27 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
You’d think though...


A Western mind might think...

Despite the Globalist fantasy that all humans are equal and interchangeable we're talking about entirely different cultures and geography.
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