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[Itchy]

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5404730.stm

Anybody see this on ceefax yesterday , 30 councils in the UK have chipped black and blue bins , in anticipation of pay s you throw charging, which just requires a nod from the government.

and yet 2 weeks ago there was a public statement which stated that no such appetite existed in the public domain and it would not be implemented until the next decade.

Bastards I already pay for it in my council tax , and they want me to pay twice ?,

I think a hammer and a visit to where all the bin wagons are parked is in order.

(note I removed a chip recently and found it had been replaced)
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[G]

There is a problem - we're throwing away too much stuff, meaning, they say, there's only 9 nine years left of landfill space.

Do you have an alternative solution that won't cost the average person?

[daz|n00by]

[G]

It will mean people try and avoid paying as much as possible - so use recycling as much as possible, thus landfills get filled at a much slower rate.
I'd be willing to bet that 99.5% of houses in the UK still don't recycle nearly as much as they could.

(Or it will mean people just start fly tipping instead, which is a quite likely.)

I'm not suggesting it's a perfect or good solution, but I am suggesting there should be some solution.

[Itchy]

[Itchy]

[NinjaBoy]

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[byke95]

I get the feeling people are against this before they fully know how it can be done. Sadly, this is probably due to the councils failing to keep us informed and work with us.

Recycling up to 50% of your waste is not very difficult. I have done so for years now and it's a habit. Between myself and my girlfriend we throw away one carry bag full of 'household' waste each week. The rest is washed, put in the recycle bin for the council to take away (around once a month we also go to the tip with the rubbish the council don't take as they can't 'make' money out of it).

The above is helped as Dorset council have recently got their finger out and given us a decent recycling infrastructure. Again, sadly i'm aware that some councils prefer to hit the self-destruct button when it comes to recycling and working with the residents. After watching a programme last night regarding councils and recycling I was pretty shocked at how poorly some residents are being treated. I seem to remember Bendy having a bit of a tough time when it came to her council's way of recycling.

Admittedly, being in a family with a few kids would make the whole process more complicated but I couldn't quite figure out how one family (of four) were getting through five large bin bags of rubbish a fortnight, in addition to recycling "as much as possible". I'm guessing individuals' lifestyles ar a big factor.

Although no system is perfect, for those who want it to work it will. That said, any recycling programme needs to be coherent and as simple as possible. I gather (from a programme I watched) there can be financial incentives to recycling to. One family had saved well over £100 a year in their council taxes.

[killa]

There must be thousands of people like me who live in a flat, with no where to store a car load of rubbish to be recycled, no car to actually take the rubbish somewhere and a considerable distance to travel anyway to get to the recycling bins.

The extortionate amount the council ask from me, and the constant passing the buck when i call them to do something has just made me bitter about the whole affair.
If i didn't pay council tax and heavy tax on my petrol i might be able to afford car lessons each month and get on the road (lol, increasing pollution) so i can go to the recycling bins easier.
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[Bendy]

It's going to have to be pressure on the manufacturers to stop over-packaging things, or an increase in the types of plastics that the council will take away to recycle.

I recycle everything possible from this house, and still have to throw out a pretty immense amount of stuff because it's not on the 'yes please' list.

If we had to pay to throw, would it make us change what products we bought because of the construction of their packaging? Which would bring change, as they'd miss the sales?

Bottle deposits were cool! Wonder if you'd still get enterprising kids taking them back for you to earn the deposits.

[Tigersaw]

Someone told me you just need to hold a ciggie lighter under the chip for a second or two...

[craigie b]

I agree that recycling is the way to cut down our rubbish dumping, however if the council doesn't implement a system which is easy and quick to use then people won;t bother their arses.

The councils should take responsibility for their jobs and give people what they need to recycle. In York its a fuckng joke.....you get a little green tub for glass and can's and an occasional bag for paper.

[zaknafien]

I totally resent recycling, I have to spend my time sorting out packaging I didnt wan't in the first place, the council then take it away and sell it to a company to recycle who then sell it to another company to remake into more packaging?? Where the fuck is my cut?

Now i'm going to be charged if I don't recycle? Not bloody likely, i'll be having far more garden fires in the future.
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[Itchy]

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Half the bins in my street have numbers on anyway, making a chip rendundant as far as 'hiding' from the bin men.

[Susi]

As for recycling, yes it's a good idea, but when half the country doesn't have real access to it how to they expect it to happen?

For example where my parents live in London there's no type of inforced rubish sorting. There's a few big public green bottle and clothes bins up the road, but that's it. If the whole area where to use them everything would be piled up on the street.

Now in Bath where my new place is, they make us sort our rubbish and even provide us with green reclying boxes that get collected once a week. Yet they won't recycle cardboard, brown paper, plastic that isn't a drink bottle or wood.
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[byke95]

[WildGoose]

the solution for the time being in Reading is for the council to only collect your bin once every 2 weeks, instead of every week

they also changed the day from a tuesday to a monday in my area, so i missed it, and now ive a full bin and two weeks to wait

we fill the bin every week, and recycle everything they will take, how magically is my 1 weekly bin gonna hold 2 weeks worth of landfill rubbish, simply because the council decides not to come every week to collect it

i intend to give it a month or so to see how it works, i.e if they will collect bags that dont fit in the bin left on the street, then i will either buy a big oil drum cut the top off and burn it in my back garden, or fly tip it at the civic centre, bollocks to them they need to come up with a real solution

how about a big place to burn it, then spend some money working out how to turn the gases created into something less polluting, or transfer the energy created into something useful
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[Kickstart]

Hi

Simplist thing, have a single compartmented bit. Single collection keeping the stuff seperated.

Washing the stuff out at home is a major waste of resources. It has to be collected and go to one place, so makes sense to clean it out in one place on a larger and more efficient scale.

Problem with landfill basically seems to be that we have agreed not to commisions any more landfill sites.

By the way, any guesses to how much of the stuff that is carefully sorted for recycling just gets dumped in landfill. Or just shipped abroad to a country with cheaper landfill.

All the best

Keith
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[Mister James]

Once again, it seems to be simply an excuse to extort more money from the taxpayer to pay for other schemes. I already have an intensive recycling scheme forced upon me, despite the fact they admit it is impractical for flats and thus I cannot be fined for it.

Accepting that hasn't stopped them from only emptying my bin every fortnight though, and my 'hi-tech 21st century council' hasn't replied to a single email I've sent them through their website for over a year.

I get fuck all else for my £1400 a year, a decent (and as Byke says - honest) recycling/refuse service would be a good start. Instead, we get the usual oppression and pip-squeaking knee-jerk response.
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[colin1]

fortunately, our council are too tight to pay for bins, so we just have bin bags littering the streets the day b4 rubbish collection
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[ISLAND GIRL]

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[ISLAND GIRL]

This is just robbing us twice, I thought this was the idea of our council taxes as well as education, street lighting etc. If this is brought in I reckon you will see more fly tipping, bags left outside your house for collection, bonfires etc. When will this government realise that we are simply being taxed to death in this country, why do we bother going to work just to hand most of it back again. For those on income support etc they wont be expected to shell out, why is the working class always hit harder
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[Itchy]