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PostPosted: 15:57 - 10 Oct 2006    Post subject: North Korea "Nuclear Tests" Reply with quote

N. Korea have released a statement saying they have conducted their first "successful" Nuclear test underground. Although this is not confirmed to be true as radiation tests in China, Japan and South Korea have indicated no rise in radiation, this could be quite a momentous moment in History.

Nevertheless China has "ruled" our military action as "unimaginable" however their troops have been refused leave in anticipation of a Nuclear attack.

The full story is here.

https://www.orange.co.uk/news/topstories/2918.htm?linkfrom=news_topstories_default&link=link_title&article=sp33970

What are people's opinions on this? Should we be scared? Are they a real threat? Tony Blair says we should be "very worried". But at the end of the article is says that Analysts agree that N.Korea are unlikely to have the technology to mount a Fizzile bomb onto a Warhead.

Will the US take military action? If they did wouldn't it put strain on their already strained military. Will Britain, the USA, Japan and China be the only countries to engage in military action if the scneario arose?

I'll be watching this thread closely, like I have the news reports. Smile
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PostPosted: 16:00 - 10 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

The US won't take any action because they'll lose.
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PostPosted: 16:13 - 10 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr.Everready wrote:
The US won't take any action because they'll lose.


Some how i think in a nuculer war, the USA's 5,000+ nucler war heads would beat the 2 or 3 Norea have...

China are the ones who have to act now though. not the USA.

China and japan could end up in a cold war situation because of this.
N. Korea has in the past threatened japan, who in turn have an uneasy relationship with china at the best of times.
The thought of N. Korea having nuculer wepons may well be the insentive for japan to enlarge its stocks of them. And then in turn china would have to devlope there wepons further.

The country who has the biggest say in what happens next for once is not the USA but is China.

They are the super power in the area, and are one of the few countries, that has little reson to listen to what the bush goverment wants.
They are also very unlickly to allow american troups to invade N. Korea. And unlike most other countries, they have the power to make there own choises
So I this case i would be looking much more closely as to what the countries around Korea are doing about the problem. Rather than worry about the USA's reaction
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PostPosted: 16:16 - 10 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, this would be the third anti christ Nostradamus was on about.

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PostPosted: 16:19 - 10 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Some how i think in a nuculer war, the USA's 5,000+ nucler war heads would beat the 2 or 3 Norea have...


What I meant was that in a "normal" the US would lose. There's no way the US would start firing nukes unless they were in iminent danger.
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PostPosted: 16:23 - 10 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Some how i think in a nuculer war, the USA's 5,000+ nucler war heads would beat the 2 or 3 Norea have...


What I meant was that in a "normal" the US would lose. There's no way the US would start firing nukes unless they were in iminent danger.


Were as i would love to agree with that.
The manor in which i have seen Bush act over the last years makes me wonder just how hard you would need to push him.

The attacts on 9/11 was answered in a carpet bombing of afganistain.
i hate to think his reaction to a nuclur device being detonated on US soil.....
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PostPosted: 16:42 - 10 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're perfectly capable of putting nukes on missiles. However, only their short range missiles are big enough to put the bomb onto just now. Apparently one of the hardest parts of nuclear weapon development is minaturisation of the bomb to fit it onto missiles. The missiles they fired over Japan a few months ago are too small to carry the bomb they'll have just now. They could drop it from a plane or put it in a truck no bother though.
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 10 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone who think's there will be a winner in a nucelar war is deluding themselves. The only thing that happen's is lot's of people who have fuck-all die due to some people trying to wave their willy about/bully the other one(s).

Having said that if I could somehow excape the effect's of nuclear fallout/it been carried through the air then it would be oddly interesting, post apocalyptic scavenging anyone?
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PostPosted: 19:31 - 10 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

All the US can do is stand and shout from a distance.

If North Korea want to nuke someone tomorrow then in theory they could just push it out the back of a plane. In practice though, I doubt they are even close to developing something that could be used as a controlled nuclear bomb, and there's no chance any unidentified north korean plane is going to get near any developed country's airpspace.
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PostPosted: 21:47 - 10 Oct 2006    Post subject: Its Time for Team America Fuck Yeah Reply with quote

Its Time for Team America Fuck Yeah, it looks like KIm Il Song has his WMD
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PostPosted: 21:48 - 10 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iran and north korea have learnt from Iraq.

With Iraq, Iraq was promised that if they complied with weapons inspectors and didnt have nuclear weapons, they would not be invaded. America invaded anyway, so the moral of the story is, you dont have anything to gain if you do as they ask and dont make nuclear weapons.

Now that North Korea has nuclear weapons, America wont invade it.

Iran doesnt have nuclear weapons yet, so America keeps threatening to invade.

As soon as Iran gets nuclear weapons it will be safe from invasion.

Although its a bit of a pain for America if countries it wants to invade have nuclear weapons, this seems to be more about Americas right to invade whoever without opposition.

If its so wrong for other countries to have nuclear weapons, why do we still have them.

One law for one, one law for another.

Having said that, the guy who runs north korea seems to be a bit of a nutter, but i guess you would have to be, to keep control of your country when everyone else wants to take it from you.

Sanctions will just hurt the people not the government, if anything it will make the people resent outsiders and be more loyal to their government.
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PostPosted: 08:11 - 11 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

More importantly, what effect will nukes have on global warming?

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PostPosted: 08:18 - 11 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:

One law for one, one law for another.
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MAD no longer works it only works against equal partners , ie UK and France both have nukes and therefore MAD works fine, we both have lots of wealthy people with lots to lose,

Sun Tzu Art of War

"do not surround your enemy and give him no hope for they will only fight harder"

ie the wounded dog cornered.

N Korea has millions of starving people , no resources , no oil coal a severe famine , therefore they have nothing to lose and may have a I'll take you with me attitude.
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PostPosted: 09:48 - 11 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

killa wrote:
More importantly, what effect will nukes have on global warming?

Laughing

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You're still in North America.
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PostPosted: 10:58 - 11 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree 100% with Colin1 Clapping

Nowadays if you do not have nukes you are not safe from the US/UK/Israel coalition.

Remember, back in 2002 someone threw a spanner in the works of negotiations with N.Korea; wonder who that was? Razz

If anything is to blame it is US foreign policy!
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PostPosted: 20:05 - 15 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

DevilWAH wrote:

The thought of N. Korea having nuculer wepons may well be the insentive for japan to enlarge its stocks of them.


Japan has never had nukes, and it never will.
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PostPosted: 21:11 - 15 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didge wrote:
DevilWAH wrote:

The thought of N. Korea having nuculer wepons may well be the insentive for japan to enlarge its stocks of them.


Japan has never had nukes, and it never will.


Yer right.. Let me ask you, one of you major enemys close by arms them selves with nucular wepons. and what you just stand there and do nothing.
N Korea have a number of times spoken about waht there intention might over japan. And if they are allowed to develop nucler wepons capable of attacking other countries japan will have little option other than getting in to an arms race, or sitting back and being controls by other countries..

Just because they never have had nukes before, dosn't mean they wont get them if the need to.
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PostPosted: 23:48 - 15 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didge wrote:
Japan has never had nukes, and it never will.


That's something the jap's are currently debating right now. Now the north koreans have nukes the japs are starting to ask if they need them too.
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PostPosted: 08:08 - 16 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

zaknafien wrote:
Didge wrote:
Japan has never had nukes, and it never will.


That's something the jap's are currently debating right now. Now the north koreans have nukes the japs are starting to ask if they need them too.


Japan does have nuclear weapons capability , they just have them in kit form , ie all the pieces , and should they ever need em they just need to put a few parts together,

or they are lying about it , the US kept 1500 nuclear bombs (in partially assembled state) on UK sold for the duration of the cold war).
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PostPosted: 09:53 - 16 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:

Japan does have nuclear weapons capability , they just have them in kit form , ie all the pieces , and should they ever need em they just need to put a few parts together,

or they are lying about it , the US kept 1500 nuclear bombs (in partially assembled state) on UK sold for the duration of the cold war).


What you mean Kept!!!
Most of the nucler wepons on UK soil today are owned/donated by the US..


For thoses who want to see the out come of a nucler war. here you are Wink lets you be the one pressing the red button Wink

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PostPosted: 10:34 - 16 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

DevilWAH wrote:
Yer right.. Let me ask you, one of you major enemys close by arms them selves with nucular wepons. and what you just stand there and do nothing.
N Korea have a number of times spoken about waht there intention might over japan. And if they are allowed to develop nucler wepons capable of attacking other countries japan will have little option other than getting in to an arms race, or sitting back and being controls by other countries..

Just because they never have had nukes before, dosn't mean they wont get them if the need to.


I repeat, Japan has NEVER had nukes, and never will.
There was also a report on the BBC quoting a Japanese minister saying just that. Words along the lines of the above, but I cannot find the report.

I did manage to find an older one tho'.

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/480255.stm
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I repeat, Japan has NEVER had nukes, and never will.
There was also a report on the BBC quoting a Japanese minister saying just that. Words along the lines of the above, but I cannot find the report.

I did manage to find an older one tho'.

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/480255.stm


I'll quote you the goverment of iran stating that his country will not develop nucler wepons. and that they only want to do the reserce for civil power station. You can belive that as well if you wish!!
You can say waht you wish. and i do belive japan mean what they say. But if the situation arises that the balance of power turns heavely aginst them. then there is no way on earth that you can state with absolute certantiy waht will happen. Goverments can change. and when people feel threatened they will very quickly change there ideas.
The fact that the question raises its head in goverment over there. means that some people over there see it as an option. even if at the moment it is in the minority! but taht to can easly change!!
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DevilWAH wrote:


I'll quote you the goverment of iran stating that his country will not develop nucler wepons. and that they only want to do the reserce for civil power station. You can belive that as well if you wish!!
You can say waht you wish. and i do belive japan mean what they say. But if the situation arises that the balance of power turns heavely aginst them. then there is no way on earth that you can state with absolute certantiy waht will happen. Goverments can change. and when people feel threatened they will very quickly change there ideas.
The fact that the question raises its head in goverment over there. means that some people over there see it as an option. even if at the moment it is in the minority! but taht to can easly change!!


Agreed. You may be right, but personally, I very much doubt if the Japs will change enough to have nukes.
Being the only country to have suffered a nuke attack, they really are anti-nuke, in a very big way.
Japan has friendly relations with most countries on the planet, so maybe that is what she relies on?
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 16 Oct 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didge wrote:


I repeat, Japan has NEVER had nukes, and never will.
There was also a report on the BBC quoting a Japanese minister saying just that. Words along the lines of the above, but I cannot find the report.

I did manage to find an older one tho'.

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/480255.stm



yeah I remember Blair saying he'd never put up taxes , charge students fees and lots of stuff,

Japan ain't exactly got an empty closet , theirs is full of skeletons , just 50 years back they had government sponsored rape (comfort houses) , used anthorax against China (some old people there still bear the scars) , and deny everything they did in China.
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