Shemima Begum, Not Coming home now!

[Kawasaki Jimbo]

She’s probably living in the UN refugee camp pretty much as she did while with ISIS, minus the beheadings and such. She has made no convincing expressions of contrition. She picked the losing side. She’s not our problem.

[Nobby the Bastard]

Right. So. Every criminal we deport to their country of origin is because the UN convention covering not removing a persons citizenship if it would make them stateless.

As we have done that to Begum, Syria cannot deport her to us because we are in breach of that convention.

It therefore follows that the house of cards falls down and any country can refuse to allow us to deport peopleback to them because we don't follow the ruleswe are supposed to follow.

Wider consequences, folks, wider consequences.....
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[Kawasaki Jimbo]

I’m not sure I understand what you’re saying.

Besides, the Channel migrants are reputed to be destroying their IDs so they appear to be stateless and we can’t deport them. Obeying international rules isn’t working in our favour in that respect so… swings and roundabouts, and Begum is on the wrong ride.

[Easy-X]

[DaddyStu]

[Nobby the Bastard]

What does food have to do with it?

Albania is perfectly within their rights to refuse to accept their boat people from us if we refuse to accept ours from syria.

The UN convention is absolute. there is no caveat you can use to get out of it.
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[Nobby the Bastard]

At the end of the day, in order to prevent a radicalised individual from getting worse do you a) bring them home from a shit hole and spend time showing compassion and allowing (suitably vetted) imans to help her mourn her lost kids or 2) leave her in a camp full of the enemy whilst she slowly seeths about not being able to come home to the place she really only recognises as home?

Bear in mind a lot of you think our borders are very porous.
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[Kawasaki Jimbo]

You’re overstating the convention, it does allow deprivation of nationality within certain criteria and if done within a legal framework. This individual falls squarely into that bracket.

[Nobby the Bastard]

Citation?

Article 8.

Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law.

You have to have a nation in order to appear before a national tribunal,

https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-right


Not Anyone, it says Everyone. if you don't understand the difference go find a solicitor or an english teacher so you understand just how absolute that is.
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[Easy-X]

All the more reason to stop the swashbucklers, they're giving genuine asylum seekers a bad name
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[Kawasaki Jimbo]

[Nobby the Bastard]

She does not have and has never had bangladeshi citizenship. She could have applied for it but never had. Bangladesh said that they would refuse any apoplication from her.

So, she is stateless due to our actions.
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[Kawasaki Jimbo]

They don’t want her either. Better add the Bangladeshis to the long list headed, ‘People who are to blame,’ while keeping Begum off it.

[Easy-X]

She was a member of another state: the ISIS caliphate. It is unfortunately no longer in existence in any meaningful way.

So what do you do with someone state no longer exists? Easy to forget this used to happen all the time in Europe.
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[Nobby the Bastard]

[Easy-X]

We might consider Taiwan as a sovereign nation but there are others that would disagree. The Kurds are quite keen on gaining their own state but at the moment they're nominally considered Turkish, Syrian, Iranian or Iraqi.

I get the impression you think national borders are crystalline and perfect and not the wibbly-wobbly mess (with the occasional but arbitrary straight line) they have been throughout history.
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[DaddyStu]

[Easy-X]

If it was still extant then she wouldn't be attempting to return and we could avoid all the constant limp wristed hand-wringing.
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[Ste]

[Ribenapigeon]

It's amazing the vitriol reserved for her.

[Easy-X]

This time next year: "Hug a Traitor Day"
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[Ribenapigeon]

[Polarbear]

I'll tell you why there is this vitriol towards her. Her family came/immigrated/wangled their way into UK to, I presume, improve their life and the first generation then turns round and kicks the country in the teeth that adopted them. It makes my skin crawl that she did that.

You say she did nothing to compromise the UK, maybe not but what she did shows a total disregard for her country and it's citizens, especially the families of the ones that died at the hands of Isis.

If nothing it shows how useless our immigration policy is and the absolute lies that are bandied about integragtion assimilation of different non compatible cultures in the UK.

If it had been a bloke there wouldn't have been this 'interest'. The hand wringers wouln't be saying anything because there would be nothing to hand wring over. But a girl, a baby producer, oh god, poor little thing.

Pah.
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[Ste]

[Polarbear]