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Ribenapigeon
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PostPosted: 10:25 - 08 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote
Polarbear wrote:
I'll tell you why there is this vitriol towards her. Her family came/immigrated/wangled their way into UK to, I presume, improve their life and the first generation then turns round and kicks the country in the teeth that adopted them. It makes my skin crawl that she did that.

You say she did nothing to compromise the UK, maybe not but what she did shows a total disregard for her country and it's citizens, especially the families of the ones that died at the hands of Isis.

If nothing it shows how useless our immigration policy is and the absolute lies that are bandied about integragtion assimilation of different non compatible cultures in the UK.

If it had been a bloke there wouldn't have been this 'interest'. The hand wringers wouln't be saying anything because there would be nothing to hand wring over. But a girl, a baby producer, oh god, poor little thing.

Pah.


So utterly symbolic then. And conveniently ignoring the fact she was a child when she was groomed. What proof is there that a male who was groomed as a child would be treated differently? That's pure speculation and infers more about your issues than her situation. Your not one of these Incels are you? Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:47 - 08 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote
"So what you're saying is..."

National identity is not important because it's purely symbolic? Rejecting something symbolic and then deciding you (or rather a gaggle of human rights lawyers) want it back isn't important 'cos it's symbolic, innit. Nations don't exist and borders don't exist 'cos they're all just made up concepts. People are just people.

Good luck with that.
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PostPosted: 11:41 - 08 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote
Polarbear wrote:
The huge difference between something like sexual grooming which includes rape, coercion and physical threats and someone travelling to a foreign country because they want to infict harm on people?

What are the huge differences between grooming a child for sexual exploitation and grooming a child to radicalise them for exploitation by a terrorist group?

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What excuse can we think of next?

I'm not making excuses for anyone

I don't know what the right thing to do with her now is as it would be preferable to not be bringing ISIS people back to the UK but she's only in this situation because she was groomed.
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Ribenapigeon
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PostPosted: 12:02 - 08 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote
Easy-X wrote:
"So what you're saying is..."

National identity is not important because it's purely symbolic? Rejecting something symbolic and then deciding you (or rather a gaggle of human rights lawyers) want it back isn't important 'cos it's symbolic, innit. Nations don't exist and borders don't exist 'cos they're all just made up concepts. People are just people.

Good luck with that.


No, im saying the vitriol reserved for Begum is simply a vehicle for someone to express their notion of identity. It's nothing to do with practical security matters or criminal justice. I find it remarkable if someone needs to use a situation that started with the abuse of a child to indulge themselves. We have to remember as well that Begum may have been fifteen when she left the country but she was even younger when the grooming began.
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PostPosted: 12:09 - 08 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ribenapigeon wrote:
And conveniently ignoring the fact she was a child when she was groomed.


Apart from the fact isn't fact at all.

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/WP-Begum-Judgment-NCN.pdf

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there were no findings or suggestions in the media
interviews that Ms Begum had been trafficked or groomed and radicalised.



The best you get is MAY have been radicalised:

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Whilst accepting that
BEGUM may well have been a victim of radicalisation as a
minor, SCU does not consider this justifies putting the UK’s
national security at risk by not depriving her of her citizenship,
for this reason.
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PostPosted: 12:34 - 08 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ribenapigeon wrote:
It's nothing to do with practical security matters or criminal justice.


No, it's a multi-factor problem (the pros and cons of allowing her back in.) The MSM may be fixated on painting the plebs as horrible racists but that doesn't dispense with all the other problems associated with letting her back in.

This whole affair is just an extension of the "let everyone in" policy. Albanian criminal scum? Pass them off as asylum seekers and whitter on about Human Rights obligations.

tl;dr "You're taking the piss now."
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PostPosted: 14:01 - 08 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote
I think people indulge themselves in something like the Begum issue because she's an easy mark. Its the thin edge of a wedge at the other end of which is dismissing the twenty year old with multiple anti- social behaviours who's parent was inducing them into injecting heroin at fifteen. I really don't think its about security at all. Not one bit.
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PostPosted: 14:53 - 08 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote
Surely if it was such a noble thing to save the poor lass there'd be countries lining up to take her in. Any takers? Anyone? Not even Canada?!
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PostPosted: 15:58 - 08 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote
She has no Canadian citizenship, unlike the brit guy who had his uK citizenship revoked.
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PostPosted: 17:21 - 08 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Surely if it was such a noble thing to save the poor lass there'd be countries lining up to take her in. Any takers? Anyone? Not even Canada?!


Well given it was a Canadian intelligence agent who facilitated her travel then maybe they should.
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PostPosted: 19:19 - 08 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote
She married a Dutch ISIS fighter so might wind up in The Netherlands if the man returns there. He’d be jailed but might prefer a Western prison to a Middle-Eastern camp. The Netherlands would have to recognise the underage marriage though.
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PostPosted: 19:43 - 08 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote
Isn't he already dead?
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PostPosted: 20:41 - 08 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote
Apparently he’s in a Syrian jail.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11727539/I-married-Shamima-Begum-ISIS-brides-husband-speaks-jail-cell.html
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