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Kawasaki Jimbo
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PostPosted: 23:40 - 04 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Bhud wrote:
The solutions are here.

- offlined individuals supported by UBI, controlled by social credit score
- parallel digital economy ("you will own nothing and you will be happy" but IF AND ONLY IF you so choose, and there's no way back)

There are people BEGGING to be offlined right now. They want to be provided for, and to have their basic needs met. They want basic provision and shelter. Well, how about them having these things provided for them, in exchange for participation in research programmes?

So will you volunteer, and if not, why not?
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Bhud
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PostPosted: 23:54 - 04 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
What I'm proposing is a completely free choice. I choose to be a part of the free-market economy and outside of this programme and completely outside the social/welfare state. This is what's right for me. The way I see this panning out, if adopted, is that young people will be the primary drivers of technological advance and research. Young people know, better than me, what young people want for themselves, in the future. I have every respect for what the youth want, as long as it doesn't amount to having the expectations as their parents or grandparents - that ship has sailed and the demands of the world of today are different. Nothing I like better than my own inner world full of 1987, but I don't live there (and neither, apparently, do you or any of the older generation). I don't want to do anyone a disservice. I want to help. There are a few guys who didn't move on, and who are still hanging on to the old world, but they aren't doing well. Even on this forum, much as it pains me to say, the leads I would take would be from Fat Scotsman and Meef. Things have changed and I just want to leave some positivity behind and show where the way lies.
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Kawasaki Jimbo
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PostPosted: 00:05 - 05 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
That’ll be a “No” then. Why do you think anyone else would go for it? The idea that lazy-arse chavs could be recruited to take part in vivisection supposedly leading to the next evolution of human kind, and why we’d elect them to be such… Rolling Eyes

I think you missed or ignored my previous observation that the developments you wish for are far more likely to come via gene therapies and implants at first designed to address physical ailments. Enhance the disabled and then show how anyone else could benefit from similar enhancements. No need for the dystopia you imagine.
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Lord Percy
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 05 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
chickenstrip wrote:

I think that a combination of capitalism and well thought-out social policies is still the answer.


Dammit if only there were a major political party offering exactly that in their 2017 and 2019 election manifesto.

Thinking

(I know you'll want to disagree there, so instead I'll ask - What is your version of "well thought-out social policies"?)

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globalism prevents that from happening in many cases. Again, globalism has some good points, but I think it's when you try to take it to the limit that things go wrong.


globalism == neoliberalism == enabled by capitalism

https://youtu.be/7gCspHmTCpQ
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chickenstrip
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PostPosted: 14:13 - 05 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lord Percy wrote:


(I know you'll want to disagree there, so instead I'll ask - What is your version of "well thought-out social policies"?)


I did say we need better minds to find the solutions - I never said I was one of them!
Unfortunately, I don't see them among our politicians either at present.
And whatever else I may think about Labour, there are too many lunatics in the party, and I'm not convinced by what I've seen so far that Starmer can get a handle on them. There's this wider battle of the culture wars that perhaps needs to be settled first.

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globalism prevents that from happening in many cases. Again, globalism has some good points, but I think it's when you try to take it to the limit that things go wrong.


globalism == neoliberalism == enabled by capitalism

https://youtu.be/7gCspHmTCpQ


Whatever. It isn't the terms themselves that are important, but finding solutions that work, and nothing is ever going to be perfect. We need to move away from this tribal politics, since we are looking for a party that can work for all of the nation, not just one section of it.
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 05 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
"What the youth want..." Pah! I'm about to hit 50 and I'll be so arrogant as to say I might foresee that, at an unspecified time in the future, I might figure out what life's really about.

I hope I do before the grand children ask the really weighty questions Shocked
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Kickstart
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 10 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Anything that allows people to opt out is either going to need to allow people to opt back in when things are not working out for them anymore, or will need to be heavily regulated to stop people being abused by it. Both rather defeats the object.

3rd option is to just say "tough titty" to those who are unsupported by it and get used to more homeless.

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