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[Hetzer]

So russia moved russian citizens into non-russian countries a few decades ago when it occupied them. Decades later those countries claim back their independance. But gee, bits are still full of russians. Giving those russians a right to break away with territory that was never theirs to begin with? I think not.
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[Mister James]

That certainly seems to be their plan, or something like it.
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[igiyf]

This is my dumbed down analysis of the situation. I take anti-depressants and have flouride in my water, so excuse the simplification.

In a nutshell: Georgia launched a surprise attack on an independent, autonomous region, South Ossetia, killing civilians and Russian peacekeepers. It is being spun by the MSM in the West that Russia invaded Georgia.

The MSM in the U.S. is reporting on the topic as if Russia invaded Georgia, a U.S. friendly country of the former Soviet Union.

The reality is that Georgia with the aid of U.S. military advisors and foreign military invaded a territory within Georgia, South Ossetia, which is an independent, autonomous region with many residents granted Russian citizenship, intentionally killing civilians.

It is reported the U.S. conducted exercises with Georgia with over 1,000 U.S. military personnel. It is also reported that a U.S. mercenary was captured. This doesn’t even start to mention the Israel and Ukraine presence.

Do you understand this? The U.S. is guilty of aiding genocide.

Russia invaded S. Ossetia in order to stop the genocide.

Georgia, with the aid Israel, Ukraine, and the U.S., are engaged in genocide. Russia was merely attempting to stop the killing of civilians.

In U.S. news and the minds of average Americans, it is a vague picture of Russia invading a sovereign nation in regards to a border dispute. And the people of the U.S. wonder why the U.S. is seen by the world as stupid Nazis.

It is speculated this invasion was a test of Russian resolve, if not for the U.S. to show their resolve. We should care because Russia has and has threatened to use nuclear weapons if threatened. I think this might be part of a bigger plan of the U.S. and the New World Order, a pretext for future war or for oil interests.

And for the real idiots, we’re talking about Georgia, the country South of Russia and North of Turkey. We’re not talking about the state in the U.S., Georgia. Russians tanks are not rolling towards Atlanta.

Yes, a lot of the sources are from Russia. Russia is providing in-depth coverage. The U.S. media is more concerned with telling news involving Paris Hilton and John Edwards. Is Russia media unbiased? Is U.S. media unbiased? I did include some U.S. newswires that confirm this news. Unfortunately, you won’t see any of these in the U.S. MSM.

I think it is up to the U.S. to prove that they had no involvement and that Georgia did not launch a surprise attack on civilians. I don’t think Georgia would provoke such a war without a greenlight and deals from the U.S. and Israel.

When you can’t trust the news, think motive.

And fuck John Edwards. Go watch Paris Hilton on Faux News if you want trash news.

No stupid news on Paris Hilton and John Edwards, just in-depth coverage
Russia Today
[https://www.russiatoday.ru/]

Excellent documented analysis from Justin Raimondo who has been providing war analysis for years
The Real Aggressor: Georgian invasion of South Ossetia sets the stage for a wider war
[https://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=13285]

American Mercenary Captured by Russians
[https://www.infowars.com/?p=3893]
[https://warnewsupdates.blogspot.com/2008/08/american-soldiercitizen-captured-in.html]
[https://kommersant.com/p-13081/mercenaries_Georgia_U.S._instructor]
[https://en.rian.ru/world/20080811/115953426.html]

Russian Cameraman: CNN Aired Misleading Footage
[https://www.infowars.com/?p=3904]

Civilian Genocide, Dead Americans Cost of U.S.-Russia Proxy War
[https://www.prisonplanet.com/civilian-genocide-dead-americans-cost-of-us-russia-proxy-war.html]

Did the U.S. Prep Georgia for War with Russia?
[https://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/08/did-us-military.html]

Civilians flee Georgian conflict
[https://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=88628&videoChannel=1]

2,000 civilians dead in Tskhinvali Fighting
[https://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSL934942920080809]

U.S. troops start training exercise in Georgia
[https://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSL1556589920080715]

Something to think about. Who benefits from 8/8/8?
Georgia: Opportunity for McCain?
[https://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=88802&videoChannel=1]

Georgia, US troops start military exercise amid escalating tensions with Russia
[https://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/07/15/europe/EU-GEN-Georgia-US-Military.php]

127 US military advisors said to be working in Georgia
[https://www.rbcnews.com/free/20080810204658.shtml]

2008 South Ossetia War
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_South_Ossetia_war]

Russia expands Georgia blitz, deploys ships
[https://wiredispatch.com/news/?id=290260]

U.S. approves Georgia’s aggression against South Ossetia and Russia
[https://www.infowars.com/?p=3892]
[https://english.pravda.ru/hotspots/conflicts/11-08-2008/106053-georgia_ossetia_russia-0]

Kommersant: U.S. Military Instructors Command Hirelings in Georgia
[https://www.infowars.com/?p=3890]
[https://www.kommersant.com/p-13081/mercenaries_Georgia_U.S._instructor/]

Petraeus: US is flying Georgian troops into battle zone
[https://www.infowars.com/?p=3883]
[https://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article4498032.ece]

Civilian Genocide, Dead Americans Cost of U.S.-Russia Proxy War
[https://www.infowars.com/?p=3881]

Russians Push Past Separatist Area to Assault Central Georgia
[https://www.infowars.com/?p=3880]
[https://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/11/world/europe/11georgia.html?_r=4&hp]

American Soldier Captured by Russians in South Ossetia?
[https://www.infowars.com/?p=3878]
[https://warnewsupdates.blogspot.com/2008/08/american-soldiercitizen-captured-in.html]

Former Georgian Foreign Minister: Many Americans in Georgia Training Military
[https://www.infowars.com/?p=3877]

Mass Murderer in S. Ossetia: “Israelis should be proud of themselves”
[https://www.infowars.com/?p=3875]
[https://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArticlePrintPreview/1%2C2506%2CL-3580136%2C00.html]
[https://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1010230.html]

The BBS is deliberately distorting the News from the Georgia Region
[https://www.infowars.com/?p=3874]
[https://chimesofreedom.blogspot.com/2008/08/how-bbc-is-deliberately-distorting-news.html]

Russia Today News Feed
[https://www.infowars.com/?p=3872]

More Evidence of U.S. Complicity in S. Ossetia Invasion
[https://www.infowars.com/?p=3871]

Russia Prepares for Naval Blockade of Georgia
[https://www.infowars.com/?p=3863]
[https://www.kommersant.com/p-13063/South_Ossetia/]

Did U.S., Israel Provocateur S. Ossetia Conflict? Does the Sun Come Up in the Morning?
[https://www.infowars.com/?p=3860]

Georgia declares ’state of war’ over South Ossetia
[https://www.infowars.com/?p=3855]
[https://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/aug/09/georgia.russia2]

Israeli Military Advisors Aid Georgia
[https://www.infowars.com/?p=3839]
[https://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=1358]

[Hetzer]

Was S.Ossetia originally Georgian territory or russian?
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[LeeR]

Internal conflict - nothing to see here, move along...
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[ncrn]

Half the time the stuff in current affairs is tin foil hat theories, I never though anything interesting was discussed here.

Personally I chat to my mates about important stuff, and yeah we were all a bit pissed about what the russians have done. But realistically there wont be anything done about it as you know.. Cold war and stuff.
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[Mister James]

Well that video proved the sum total of nothing, unless you count the fact it agrees that South Ossetia IS part of Georgia, and that the seperatists are backed by Russia - all of which is already noted further up this page.
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[igiyf]

Missile Defense: Washington and Poland just moved the World closer to War

F. William Engdahl
Global Research
August 18, 2008

Fusion center

Washington plans to place 10 interceptor missiles in Poland coupled with a radar system in the Czech Republic, which it ludicrously claims are intended to counter possible attacks from what it calls "rogue states," including Iran.


The signing on August 14 of an agreement between the governments of the United States and Poland to deploy on Polish soil US ‘interceptor missiles’ is the most dangerous move towards nuclear war the world has seen since the 1962 Cuba Missile crisis. Far from a defensive move to protect European NATO states from a Russian nuclear attack, as military strategists have pointed out, the US missiles in Poland pose a total existential threat to the future existence of the Russian nation. The Russian Government has repeatedly warned of this since US plans were first unveiled in early 2007. Now, despite repeated diplomatic attempts by Russia to come to an agreement with Washington, the Bush Administration, in the wake of a humiliating US defeat in Georgia, has pressured the Government of Poland to finally sign the pact. The consequences could be unthinkable for Europe and the planet.

The preliminary deal to place elements of the US global missile defense shield was signed by Polish Deputy Foreign Minister Andrzej Kremer and US chief negotiator John Rood on August 14. Under the terms, Washington plans to place 10 interceptor missiles in Poland coupled with a radar system in the Czech Republic, which it ludicrously claims are intended to counter possible attacks from what it calls “rogue states,” including Iran.

To get the agreement Washington agreed to reinforce Poland’s air defenses. The deal is still to be approved by the two countries’ governments and Poland’s parliament. Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk said in televised remarks that “the events in the Caucasus show clearly that such security guarantees are indispensable.” The US-Polish missile talks had been dragging for months before recent hostilities in Georgia.

The Bush White House Press spoksperson, Dona Perino stated, officially, “We believe that missile defense is a substantial contribution to NATO’s collective security.” Officials say the interceptor base in Poland will be opened by 2012. The Czech Republic signed a deal to host a US radar on July 8.

The signing now insures an escalation of tensions between Russia and NATO and a new Cold War arms race in full force. It is important for readers to understand, as I detail painstakingly in my book, to be released this autumn, Full Spectrum Dominance: The National Security State and the Spread of Democracy, the ability of one of two opposing sides to put anti-missile missiles to within 90 miles of the territory of the other in even a primitive first-generation anti-missile missile array gives that side virtual victory in a nuclear balance of power and forces the other to consider unconditional surrender or to pre-emptively react by launching its nuclear strike before 2012. Senior Russian lawmakers said on Friday the agreement would damage security in Europe, and reiterated that Russia would now have to take steps to ensure its security.

Andrei Klimov, deputy head of the Russian State Duma’s international affairs committee, said the deal was designed to demonstrate Warsaw’s “loyalty to the US and receive material benefits. For the Americans, it is an opportunity to expand its military presence across the world, including closer to Russia. For NATO, this is an additional risk…many NATO countries are unhappy with this, including the Germans and the French.”

Klimov called the agreement “a step back” toward the Cold War.

Russian response

The US plans to deploy a radar in the Czech Republic and 10 interceptor missiles in northern Poland as part of a US-controlled missile shield for Europe and North America, has been officially sold under the ludicrous argument that it is against possible attacks from “rogue states,” including Iran. Last Spring then Russian President Vladimir Putin exposed the shallowness of the US propaganda line by offering a startled President Bush that Russia would offer the US use of Russian leased radar facilities in Azerbaijan on the Iran border to far better monitor Iran missile launches. The Bush Administration simply ignored the offer, exposing that their real target is Russia not “rogue states like Iran.” Russia rightly views deployment of the US missile shield as a threat to its national security.

The latest Polish agreement advances a Russian response.




Russian officials earlier said Moscow could deploy its Iskander tactical missiles and strategic bombers in Belarus and Russia’s westernmost exclave of Kaliningrad if Washington succeeded in its missile shield plans in Europe. Moscow also warned it could target its missiles on Poland.

Russia is also discussing to put in place an orbital ballistic missile system in response to US missile defense plans for Central Europe, according to a senior Russian military expert.

“A program could be implemented to create orbital ballistic missiles capable of reaching US territory via the South Pole, skirting US air defense bases,” said Col. Gen. Viktor Yesin, former chief of staff of the Russian Strategic Missile Forces, now vice president of the Academy of Security, Defense and Law Enforcement Studies.

Previously as part of the post Cold War agreements with the US, agreements which have been ´significantly ignored by Washington as it pushed the borders of NATO ever closer to Moscow’s doorstep, the Soviet Union had abandoned such missiles in accordance with the START I Treaty.

Obama backs missile defense too

The deal would further divide European countries into what Barack Obama’s foreign policy adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski calls openly, US “vassals” and those pursuing more independent policies.

Any illusions that a Democratic Obama Presidency would mean a rollback of such provocative NATO and US military moves of recent years should be dismissed as dangerous wishful thinking. Obama’s foreign policy team in addition to father Zbigniew Brzezinski, includes Brzezinski’s son, Ian Brzezinski, current US Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for European and NATO Affairs. Ian Brzezinski is a devout backer of US missile defense policy, as well as Kosovo independence and NATO expansion into Ukraine and Georgia.

[Mister James]

Missile defence: mad-man pastes yet more meaningless drivel!

I like this level-headed opening paragraph:

[igiyf]

[igiyf]

Saakashvili may be put on trial in Russia

Russian investigators have launched a criminal case on charges of genocide in connection with the events in South Ossetia. Russia’s Interfax news agency reports that the Russian General Prosecutor’s Office has said Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili may also be put on trial.

Igor Komissarov, deputy chairman of the Prosecutor’s Investigation Committee, said it had “initiated a genocide probe based on reports of actions committed by Georgian troops aimed at murdering Russian citizens, ethnic Ossetians, living in South Ossetia.”

According to the latest figures, about 1,600 residents and 74 Russian peacekeepers have been killed as a result of Georgia’s attack on South Ossetia.

Speaking at a joint media briefing with French President Nicholas Sarkozy, President Medvedev said double standards are inadmissible when evaluating the actions of politicians who are guilty of mass killings of civilians.

“The situation when one, who committed thousands of crimes, is characterised as a terrorist, and another as a president of a sovereign state, is very strange,” he said.

Meanwhile, Marina Gridneva, a spokesperson for the General Prosecutor’s Office, told Interfax that Russian law allows for foreign citizens to be brought to trial if they have committed a crime against Russia’s interests.

She said that evidence of murder, following the attack of Georgian troops in South Ossetia, may be used as a basis for future charges against Saakashvili.

Aleksandr Torshin, Vice Speaker of the Russian Federation Council, said that Saakashvili and his closest allies must answer for their actions in front of an international tribunal.

But he said he is worried by some assumptions in the west that Mikhail Saakashvili is “inadequate and may be mentally ill.”

“In such a case there will be no trial against him. He would get a certificate, a ward, and everything would be explained that he is nutty. I fear such a development of events, and I have an impression that this variant is being considered in the west,” Torshin said.

[Hetzer]

[colin1]

[igiyf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt9LBosyWwM

the rest of the world knows

[Carl_steveo]

theres a country called georgia well fuck me

[pwntifex]

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[pa_broon74]

I haven't commented because all leaders involved are corrupt. The US cannot criticize without being hypocritical, the Russians have alterior motives and the Georgian leadership is corrupt.

None of the parties involved are being honest about their motives and as usual, the citizenry are paying the price.

None of the news links provided by anyone can be proven to be 100% unbiased, even posters on here have biased opinions one way or the other and that detracts from the basic truth of the situation on the ground, ergo, no debate is going to be constructive.

While I enjoy a heated debate as much as anyone, when you end up going round in circles with someone who is only able to quote numerous articles from websites that are as ill-informed as those they seek to denegrate, it becomes a pointless and self-defeating exercise. (And no, I won't be drawn on that, stick to the topic, tortuous as it is.)

Ironically, its seems on the surface, the only country trying to do something constructive is France. Tainted as I am with a deep cynicism, I wonder what their true motivations are...


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[igiyf]

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