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Fowlersrs
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PostPosted: 09:34 - 08 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
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Does it really fucking matter?


It does, and I'll tell you why.

I categorise anyone who says 'drive a bike' on this forum as a moron.

Simple eh?


Goes without saying, there's a lot of morons on this forum !!
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PostPosted: 09:37 - 08 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drive/drīv/
Verb:
Operate and control the direction and speed of a motor vehicle:

You can drive a bike.

But I get it, riding is sitting on the vehicle rather than inside it, for example you could ride/surf a van Wink
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PostPosted: 09:47 - 08 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riding comes from the horses, the cowboys term for moving cattle while on horseback was driving. They started using driving as a term for using a horse to work, they then dicided that to drive a horse you needed a license but to just ride it you didn't. When the motor vechile was introduced the term drive (which was now in common use) was adapted to it. As a bike is a modern day horse the term stands, being used for pleasure it is riding, if used for moving cattle its driving xD


*I may be talking completely out my arse..
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PostPosted: 09:49 - 08 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vincent wrote:
Suntan Sid wrote:

Taking into account the comments in this thread, there seem to be plenty of folk who would surmise that you are lazy and uneducated if you use the term "drive" where "ride" is the, generally, accepted definition.


Fixed it for you Wink Very Happy

On the VFR club, if you make a typo, you're considered a "chav" Laughing I've come to the conclusion that most VFR owners are teachers and/or headmasters, or maybe the spelling police Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: 09:51 - 08 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpha-9 wrote:
Drive/drīv/
Verb:
Operate and control the direction and speed of a motor vehicle:

You can drive a bike.

But I get it, riding is sitting on the vehicle rather than inside it, for example you could ride/surf a van Wink


Conventions change.

Watch some footage of F1 from the 50s and you will find it commonplace for the drivers to be described as being on their cars, as in, "There goes Farina on the Alfa Romeo".

I prefer to ride a bike, but I don't have a particular problem with driving it instead, that's the beauty of the language, it isn't dead and keeps evolving.
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PostPosted: 09:53 - 08 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaft wrote:
Alpha-9 wrote:
Drive/drīv/
Verb:
Operate and control the direction and speed of a motor vehicle:

You can drive a bike.

But I get it, riding is sitting on the vehicle rather than inside it, for example you could ride/surf a van Wink


Conventions change.

Watch some footage of F1 from the 50s and you will find it commonplace for the drivers to be described as being on their cars, as in, "There goes Farina on the Alfa Romeo".

I prefer to ride a bike, but I don't have a particular problem with driving it instead, that's the beauty of the language, it isn't dead and keeps evolving.


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PostPosted: 09:54 - 08 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Fowlersrs wrote:
Does it really fucking matter?


It does, and I'll tell you why.

I categorise anyone who says 'drive a bike' on this forum as a moron.

Simple eh?



Either term is correct and nobody gives a fuck what you think...

So no, it doesn't matter.

Simple eh?

Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:03 - 08 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

goto10 wrote:


You are Stephen Fry and I claim my £5.


Pish and posh young fellow-me-lad, you'll have a ten shilling note and a picture of the Queen, and like it!
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PostPosted: 10:11 - 08 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every year, I care fewer and fewer about grammar abuse.

You don't drive a bike, you don't fire an arrow, and you don't blow a job.
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PostPosted: 11:01 - 08 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had a similar discussion with some of my mates a while back.

You get in a taxi or car, but you get on a bus or train.

There must be some set of rules governing the usage of either word but I can't put my finger on it.


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PostPosted: 11:01 - 08 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
you don't blow a job.


Not unless your name is Warped.

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PostPosted: 12:11 - 08 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vincent wrote:
my pet hate is when people use the word "Literally" incorrectly, as in "I was literally gutted".


Why do you feel this example is incorrect?
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 08 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Felicity wrote:
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my pet hate is when people use the word "Literally" incorrectly, as in "I was literally gutted".


Why do you feel this example is incorrect?


Because if he was literally gutted he'd be dead.
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 08 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

goto10 wrote:
if he was literally gutted he'd be dead.


"Literally" has more than one meaning; the first being "actually", and the second being an intensifier for a statement which is not actually true. In this case it is being used in its second meaning.
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PostPosted: 12:45 - 08 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Felicity wrote:


"Literally" has more than one meaning; the first being "actually", and the second being an intensifier for a statement which is not actually true. In this case it is being used in its second meaning.


Literally is not an intensifier. it means 'Actually' 'Really', that sort of thing.

Another thing that grinds my gears is when people refer to their Kawasaki Sportsbikes as 'My Ninja'. Only chavs do this. If I ever buy a ZX6R, it'll be a ZX6R, it will never be a 'ninja'.
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 08 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Felicity wrote:
goto10 wrote:
if he was literally gutted he'd be dead.


"Literally" has more than one meaning; the first being "actually", and the second being an intensifier for a statement which is not actually true. In this case it is being used in its second meaning.



It is recognised, but it is still wrong.

He is "figuratively" gutted.


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Oxford dictionary:
In its standard use literally means ‘in a literal sense, as opposed to a non-literal or exaggerated sense’, as for example in I told him I never wanted to see him again, but I didn’t expect him to take it literally.

In recent years an extended use of literally (and also literal) has become very common, where literally (or literal) is used deliberately in non-literal contexts, for added effect, as in they bought the car and literally ran it into the ground. This use can lead to unintentional humorous effects ( we were literally killing ourselves laughing) and is not acceptable in formal contexts, though it is widespread.


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PostPosted: 12:51 - 08 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Literally is not an intensifier. it means 'Actually' 'Really', that sort of thing.


I see. Was this meaning decreed by God on a stone tablet?

If you look at how language is actually used, "literally" as an intensifier has been around for hundreds of years. No one objected to it until the late 19th / early 20th century, around the same time that many other nonsense "rules" were being prescribed (like split infinitives and ending a sentence with a preposition).

It's interesting that you mention "really"; do you object when someone says "he was a real dick", even though he wasn't actually, really a penis?
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 08 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sometimes use it when telling people i have a bike. otherwise ive had them stare at me as if they think i pedal everywhere Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:02 - 08 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Felicity wrote:
"Literally" has more than one meaning; the first being "actually", and the second being an intensifier for a statement which is not actually true. In this case it is being used in its second meaning.

That statement is literally worse than anything Hitler ever did.
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PostPosted: 16:16 - 08 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

My terrible spelling isn't letting me reply to this topic sufficiantly!

I do think the "driving a motorbike" thing, is partly a lack of proper education of todays kids, partly due to a lazy attitude to use of grammer, and the change in accepted words and language due to text speak and slang etc.

It's also a typically though not universally chav style expression, and while yes it's incorrect and fairly annoying, it bother's me very little if the person im talking to seems to be otherwise a normally intelligent human being. I have to say i do find it slighty funny when people unknowningly use incorrect grammer or terms to describe things, so i never correct them!

As for the Kawasaki Ninja thing, Marjay im sorry, but i've often said i own a kawasaki Ninja xxx cc, in my defence i do feel that it used to be a correct or acceptable term back in the mid 80's though, as:

1, There wasn't very many machines in the range with the Ninja label, so people probably knew exactly which bike you had if you said "i've got a Ninja mate". And surely it's no different to saying "i ride a Gamma" instead of an RG250/500 etc?

2, Chav culture wasn't around back then like it is now, as so words and expressions we could get away with using that were slightly incorrect or abbreviated, were not picked up by and incorporated into the language of common day chav speak. Laughing
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