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PostPosted: 14:09 - 15 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 17:44 - 15 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

barrkel wrote:
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Wouldn't expect a light which is working by displaying red to count as non working.


Most of the non-working lights I've seen were stuck on displaying red. Either the sensor doesn't work (often in the rain, or it is pointed at the wrong bit of road especially when there are two or more lanes leading up to the lights), or the lights were based on a timed cycle, but the light never changed from red during its "turn".

I've seen far more lights broken displaying red, than broken displaying nothing.


Maybe, but I am not sure that as far as the highway code / law applies I don't think that counts as not working,

Not that I wouldn't just jump it when like that but I would expect the police to be arsey about it.

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PostPosted: 19:56 - 15 Jul 2013    Post subject: Re: Running reds... Reply with quote

map wrote:

Just don't get me started on cyclists, insurance and breaking road laws Evil or Very Mad


I pay road tax and insurance on two cars and two bikes. My life insurance covers cycling accidents (but not motorcycles - go figure).

I run red lights when it's safe to do so, protecting myself from idiots and ensuring people who are in two ton plus lumps of metal see me and don't squash me dead flat 'cos they're ignorant cagers.

Anyone who cycles clipped in or commutes on seriously busy and fast roads may understand.
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PostPosted: 20:38 - 15 Jul 2013    Post subject: Re: Running reds... Reply with quote

carlosthejackal wrote:


Anyone who cycles clipped in or commutes on seriously busy and fast roads may understand.

I do and I don't.

Mainly because I'm not a hypocrite.
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 25 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saw a cyclist at a red light today... On the top line of a T junction, if you see what I mean. She got off, pushed her bike through the junction on the road, and got back on on the other side. Mental.
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PostPosted: 21:37 - 25 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Christoffee wrote:
She got off, pushed her bike through the junction on the road, and got back on on the other side. Mental.

I presume she was on the road not the pavement?
Still, I suspect legal; if there's no traffic etc, I'm sure it's legal to walk in such a situation.

Not sure what the law is in regards to a cycle when not riding it - I would presume it's counted as walking, otherwise an awful lot of people are generally being naughty when pushing bikes along pavements etc.
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 25 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, pushing on the road.
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 25 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely it depends on the junction.

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If you are heading straight on, at the left side of the road, in the cycle lane, then you have no chance of coming into conflict with the right lane unless they're just paying zero attention.

So the red light... well... it just doesn't make sense for bicycles.
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PostPosted: 20:07 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Christoffee wrote:
Saw a cyclist at a red light today... On the top line of a T junction, if you see what I mean. She got off, pushed her bike through the junction on the road, and got back on on the other side. Mental.


As G says, can't see why that would be illegal even if there were traffic lights. And if the road surface was dodgy it might be safer than trying to pull out and turn. Same if there is a pedestrian refuge making it easy to cross the road in 2 stages.

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PostPosted: 09:36 - 02 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Running red lights is the same concept as speeding or any similar act of illegality, it can be done safely but doing it creates more danger than if you did not.

I don't think cycles should follow the same laws as cars. They operate on a totally different basis.

Anyway they should have separate lanes everywhere in an ideal world. More people would use them to commute and travel then.
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PostPosted: 09:58 - 02 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

jackw72 wrote:
...I don't think cycles should follow the same laws as cars. They operate on a totally different basis....

Please explain.

If cycles, cars, lorries, motorcycles, whatever are sharing the same road then it would make sense they all follow the same rules so everyone knows what should be done and what to reasonably expect.
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PostPosted: 10:20 - 02 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:
jackw72 wrote:
...I don't think cycles should follow the same laws as cars. They operate on a totally different basis....

Please explain.

If cycles, cars, lorries, motorcycles, whatever are sharing the same road then it would make sense they all follow the same rules so everyone knows what should be done and what to reasonably expect.


I think my main point of concern is simply that they are not powered by engines. Lorries, cars, motorcycles they all drive on the road in a similar manner, follow the same basic patterns of driving with little variations (lorries take wider corners, motorcycles take a different line).

Cyclists are confined to different areas and cannot keep up with traffic outside of traffic jams. If it does not function in a similar manner then how can it be expected to follow the same rules?

It is the same flawed logic as our education system's exams.

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PostPosted: 10:35 - 02 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the sensors dont pickup my bike then i go if it is clear, I will wait for a minute or two though.

Common sense should prevail in situations like this, but alas we know the law does not know what common sense is.

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PostPosted: 10:53 - 02 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
If the sensors dont pickup my bike then i go if it is clear, I will wait for a minute or two though.

Common sense should prevail in situations like this, but alas we know the law does not know what common sense is.

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We have laws because many do not have common sense and need to be told what is correct and what is not.
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PostPosted: 12:22 - 02 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:

If cycles, cars, lorries, motorcycles, whatever are sharing the same road then it would make sense they all follow the same rules so everyone knows what should be done and what to reasonably expect.

Motorcycles should be restricted to 56mph then? Wink
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PostPosted: 13:20 - 02 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
map wrote:

If cycles, cars, lorries, motorcycles, whatever are sharing the same road then it would make sense they all follow the same rules so everyone knows what should be done and what to reasonably expect.
Motorcycles should be restricted to 56mph then? Wink

Very Happy 180 degrees away from the point, but you knew that.

As an example the point I was trying making was something like...
Car driver at or approaching junction/red light/roundabout/whatever thinks I can go now as I have right of way and can't see any other vehicles oh dear where did that cyclist come from?!

Cyclist version would be I can sail straight across this junction/red light/roundabout/whatever or just bump down off the pavement because jackw72 says it's my rules, oh! why did that car just hit me?!

Now there will be some who will say car driver should expect the unexpected. Same can be said for cyclist then. Problem is if I expected every child/kitten/cyclist to jump out at me when driving/riding I'd be paranoid within hours and not bother driving/riding. However, if they followed same rules the unexpected would be less likely to occur.
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PostPosted: 13:32 - 02 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:

Cyclist version would be I can sail straight across this junction/red light/roundabout/whatever or just bump down off the pavement because jackw72 says it's my rules, oh! why did that car just hit me?!


Now you are talking excrement. I said nothing like this. Check your sources.
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PostPosted: 13:35 - 02 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

jackw72 wrote:
map wrote:
Cyclist version would be I can sail straight across this junction/red light/roundabout/whatever or just bump down off the pavement because jackw72 says it's my rules, oh! why did that car just hit me?!
Now you are talking excrement. I said nothing like this. Check your sources.

I did...
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...I don't think cycles should follow the same laws as cars...

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PostPosted: 14:01 - 02 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:
Cyclist version would be I can sail straight across this junction/red light/roundabout/whatever or just bump down off the pavement because jackw72 says it's my rules, oh! why did that car just hit me?!
Now you are talking excrement. I said nothing like this. Check your sources.
I did...
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...I don't think cycles should follow the same laws as cars...

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I do not believe I said that the rules should be cyclists can run red lights because 'thems the rules'.

If you took that message from the statement then you should seek medical attention.
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 02 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a difference between 'cyclists follow different rule set' and 'do whatever the f you like'.

Pedestrians operate under a different rule set, for example.
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PostPosted: 14:24 - 02 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

jackw72 wrote:
Now you are talking excrement. I said nothing like this. Check your sources.
map wrote:
I did...
jackw72 wrote:
...I don't think cycles should follow the same laws as cars..
jackw72 wrote:
I do not believe I said that the rules should be cyclists can run red lights because 'thems the rules'.

If you took that message from the statement then you should seek medical attention.

I took it as implied. Cars have to obey red lights, that's the law. If you think cyclists shouldn't follow the same laws then it follows they shouldn't obey red lights. That's the logical progression of your argument. It follows that if not following same rules as cars then cyclists also should not observe stop signs, give way, pedestrian crossings, etc. etc. etc.

Perhaps you meant cyclist should be exempt from some of the laws. Which they are. Cyclists can have flashing white and red lights fitted to their vehicle*. Cars cannot.

Please feel free to mention it to your therapist at your next session Wink Very Happy

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Highway code rules for cyclists - rule 60

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PostPosted: 14:26 - 02 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

map, you seem to be acting rather obtusely.

A red light is not a red light. There's a huge difference between a massive intersection that no cyclist would reasonably go through, and a T junction as earlier stated where running it would not impinge on any car drivers at all.
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PostPosted: 14:26 - 02 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

map, have you ever crossed a pedestrian crossing when the red man is showing, or started when the green man was flashing?
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PostPosted: 14:30 - 02 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cars also have the issue of easily getting stuck in queues and blocking intersections while bicycles just... don't. Worst case in most places, you pick the bike up and walk on the path.
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PostPosted: 14:34 - 02 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

JonB wrote:
map, have you ever crossed a pedestrian crossing when the red man is showing, or started when the green man was flashing?

Would that get me 3 points on my licence and £100 fine? (see PC10 endorsement)
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