The best all round bike in 125cc class

[HardDriver]

Hi! I'm sorry for not writing you back guys. I was in the hospital a few days and when I back and saw what you wrote here my eyes melted , because of a lot of information and some words, which I can't understand .


So, back to the topic. First of all, when I ask you guys about my english, is it bad or good, I want to now what was wrong, because I want to learn more and more (to prove my english knowledge).


Now about bikes. I was kinda shocked about yamaha dt 125, because I was always thinked what that is the best bike in his class (hmm). About those pre-mix bikes, what can I say? I can say one thing, those are more like dirt bikes not and all rounder, because it don't have autolube, so when I go to gas station, I need to have all the time oil? Wtf? As I said I think those bikes are more like dirt bikes, but have lamps and are registered as a enduros .


About 4 strokers. In my opinion, they are all slower then 2 strokers, so what is the most minus, but the sound is really great , looks like real bike.


The inbetween bikes might be:
KDX125, Aprilia RX125, Cagiva W8, Husqvarna WRE125 etc.

Bit better suspension maybe, and less all rounders.

What about these bikes? They are faster then yamaha dt 125 and similar bikes. What about suspension? In your post said, that "less travel and less sophisticated" are yamaha dt 125 ant so one? How to understand this? Suspension aren't good in offroad?


"thump"? What is that, how to understand this word?


As I mentioned, I don't need just an offroad bike, because in that case, I will buy REALL DIRT BIKE. I need capable bikes in offroad and in the road, because I drive a lot of in the road, so suspension I think is important?


Also, one of you said, that "BUT the low down grunt just wasn't there.. At all.. Even going up a slight incline in a high gear, on road I was constantly slipping the clutch. Even my ybr was better off road!" That part I didn't understand, not the words, but the meaning. How to now, that ypvs is working?


I think all bikes are same if they restricted, but if you de-rectricted yamaha dt 125, put good exchaust, maybe a bigger carburetor? What about that? Still will be slow? Those pre-mix bikes, they are better in offroad then yamaha dt 125 I think, but what about in road? What about comfort and something like that? That they are few seconds faster then yamaha, but realibility and watching is much more bigger? In what price? I think they are much more expensive? What about parts? Then you think about that, I think when you forget about those pre-mix bikes, BUT THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR OPINIONS.



Okey, for now I think it's all . Write your opinions. Thank you.

[Fladdem]

You are right, the pre-mix bikes are good, but MAJOR pain when filling up, my MT5 was autolube for a while before I fixed the pump.

"Thump" is a noise, the sort a big four stroke single makes, like a KTM LC4 with an aftermarket exhaust. Thump is also like a dull knock, for example, a rubber hammer on wood would make a thump noise.

Personally, I like the Aprilia's look, but was disappointed with the engine when I rode a mates, when the RS125 engine is so good, I really expected that in the MX125 I rode. It MUST have been restricted still.

My mate got his DT125RE dynoed at 27-ish horsepower, that is more than enough. I think it is too small for me, but I'm about 194cm tall, I know you work in metrics on the continent. It seemed reasonable offroad, but it was a bit peaky when it started getting to that state of tune, the engine power was on or off, no modulation really.

I would go for a Husky, don't know why, I've only ever seen one Husqvarna in my life and it was a WR250, but I love them. I think they are fantastic.

In general the mellow all round bikes SHOULD require less strict maintenance schedules, but don't always. It just depends how you treat the bike and how the previous owners have treated the bike. If you are gentle on it while it warms up and use nice two stroke oil and avoid closing the throttle quickly after sustained high revs, or even worse, closing the throttle while going down a hill. Avoid sitting at constant revs all the time as well, but that goes for most off-road bikes.

Adam.

Your English is very good, although it seems to be a bit... broken.

For example you wrote, "because I was always thinked what that is the best bike in his class (hmm)."

I would have wrote it as "because I always thought that was the best bike in this class "

Thinked isn't a word, although I really like it, the past tense of think is thought.

Although, I don't know what your native language is, but you understand English better than I would understand that.
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Current:1991 Honda MT50 (Soon to be a H100/MTX/MT5 hybrid), 1976 Honda Cub C70, 2005 Honda Varadero 125, 1993 Yamaha TTR250 Open Enduro , 2010 Road Legal Stomp YX140, 1994 Honda CRM 250 MK III, 1999 Cagiva Mito 125, 1992 Honda CB400 Super Four, Stomp T4 230, 1984 Honda H100s, 2009 Sym XS125K
Past:2003 Aprilia RS125, 1982 Kawasaki GPZ550(FREE BIKE!)
I'm having more fun than a well-oiled midget.

[HardDriver]

[Fladdem]

I don't know too much about the in-between type bikes. They seem to be rarer here. I don't think pre-mix is that much of a pain, really. Like I said, I did it for a bit, you just have to remember to keep two stroke oil with you. I mixed at 40:1, it seemed less smokey and a bit more power, but it was a moped, so not a fussy engine. I used to have a little pot, with markings up the side telling me how much oil I needed for the fuel I had put in the tank.

The engine modulation. A light switch is either on or off, the power delivery on this DT was very similar to a light switch, the powerband ended up quite vicious. Compared to a standard DT, which had a power delivery more like a volume control knob on an old stereo, it was easier to ride and had a smoother power delivery. Imagine if a radio couldn't be modulated for volume. If it was either full volume or off, it wouldn't be fun to listen to, it would be either too loud or no sound, with decent modulation you can pick the sound level you want. With Jake's DT there was no modulation, the power band was like a switch, either 27HP or nothing, VERY hard to ride.

Sorry for comparing the bike to a radio. I was trying to come up with an example you would understand to explain engine modulation.

I believe he skimmed the cylinder head to increase compression, changed the port sizes for more top-end speed, changed the carb, he got a different CDI, the usual de-restriction stuff, I think it has a DEP pipe. I'm not sure, but as I said before, it seizes quite a lot, it may be because of the high state of engine tuning or because he starts it, then rides it flat out while still cold, he uses chainsaw oil in it, and I'm not sure he has adjusted the pump to deliver enough oil for the tuning.

If you were sensible, it wouldn't need rebuilds all the time, every thousand miles or so he seizes the engine. He never runs it in properly either.

My other mates 2013 KTM EXC 125 claims to have 36HP and as such it is an animal. It weighs about 100KG's, the power delivery is very strong. More brutal than the DT. He finds it difficult in traffic and offroad if it's muddy. IT either stalls, wheelies or does a burnout. Very hard to ride, but once he got used to it, he seemed to get on a bit better.

Apart from the gentle two strokes, like MZ's and other non powervalved, air-cooled engines. I don'tknow anyone with a 125 that can claim better than 45MPG's or about 16KMPL, if you work with that. Usually they get about 35MPG or 12KMPL.

I don't know about suspension. But they should all do about 65MPH easily, with top speeds from around 80-100MPH depending on state of tune, gearing and bike.
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Current:1991 Honda MT50 (Soon to be a H100/MTX/MT5 hybrid), 1976 Honda Cub C70, 2005 Honda Varadero 125, 1993 Yamaha TTR250 Open Enduro , 2010 Road Legal Stomp YX140, 1994 Honda CRM 250 MK III, 1999 Cagiva Mito 125, 1992 Honda CB400 Super Four, Stomp T4 230, 1984 Honda H100s, 2009 Sym XS125K
Past:2003 Aprilia RS125, 1982 Kawasaki GPZ550(FREE BIKE!)
I'm having more fun than a well-oiled midget.

[Fladdem]

PS. Your english is understandable, but not perfect there are loads of mistakes, but none of them really bad. Mostly your words seem to be muddled up a lot. You use the right words but in the wrong order.

E.G. German, "Ich weisse nicht" literally translates to "I understand not", however we would say "I do not understand".

So it seems like you grasp the language but not fully. I don't know how I could help you with that.
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Current:1991 Honda MT50 (Soon to be a H100/MTX/MT5 hybrid), 1976 Honda Cub C70, 2005 Honda Varadero 125, 1993 Yamaha TTR250 Open Enduro , 2010 Road Legal Stomp YX140, 1994 Honda CRM 250 MK III, 1999 Cagiva Mito 125, 1992 Honda CB400 Super Four, Stomp T4 230, 1984 Honda H100s, 2009 Sym XS125K
Past:2003 Aprilia RS125, 1982 Kawasaki GPZ550(FREE BIKE!)
I'm having more fun than a well-oiled midget.