Opinions on keyless ignition systems?!

[goto10]

Do cars/bikes with keyless entry/start have steering locks? If so, how do they work? (Solenoid/actuator type of arrangement?)

(Not that I bother with the steering lock on my bike, I'm just curious...)
____________________
'12 NC700S & '12 CB600F Hornet [Stolen by some dickless twat] Suzuki GT500 shed

[grr666]

Seems to be proximity activated. Climb on, and press start. Press both indicator buttons after switching
off via killswitch and it's 'locked' and alarmed. Anecdotally, I hear french petrol stations play havoc
with the Harley Davidson keyless systems meaning regularly man handling a 3 tonne bike plus luggage
until out of range of the filling station, then your state of the art bike will start again.
Didn't ask about steering lock, If I owned one it wouldn't be long before I'd want someone to steal it so I never
had to ride it ever again.

If that's getting it right then I'll keep my system with a key thanks.
That particular bike seems to have been built to disappoint in every possible way.
____________________
Currently enjoying products from Ford, Mazda and Yamaha
Ste wrote: Avatars are fine, it's signatures that need turning off.

[Robby]

If you're looking at motorcycle security, don't just look at keyless start. It's a minor thing when you still need to undo the steering lock and remove a disc lock or chain before setting off.

Instead, how about this. One twist of the key - or keyless start - activates/deactivates two security devices. One of them a steering lock, preferably one that is tough enough to stop a scrote breaking it by wrenching the bars around. For the second one, how about carrying out the function of a disc lock by using the ABS pump to jam the brakes on, or even having an electronic actuator behind a brake piston to force a piston out and jam the brake on.

If you go keyless, you need to consider what signal is going to be transmitted. If a signal is transmitted, it can be intercepted. The signal needs to be different every time. A sequential rolling code is useless, as is any kind of pre-set table. You need proper randomisation, using a shared key, as in cryptography. Something like an RSA token, or even the algorithm used in Google authenticate (which is freely available). If you go down that route you can unlock the bike using a mobile phone, communicating by bluetooth or NFC.

[bamt]

Forget steering locks etc., the blokes in the van will still have it away.

What we need is a bike optimised version of this built into your pride and joy, then you could park safely anywhere, knowing it can't be carried off.

[mentalboy]