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PostPosted: 14:57 - 20 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

£4k is an expensive bike!!

tintin, there is a difference surely between having the money and being able to spend it on a nice a nice expensive bike but not being able to afford to repair it easily if you damage it to being able to afford an expensive bike and repair it or replace it as often as needed?

It's not people saying they ride all the time thinking they're going to crash, it's being able and willing to push the bike further as you're not as worried about the financially impact if you do crash it. This could be something as simple as being more happy about taking it out in the rain, or something like being more willing to learn stunts on it.

Does make more sense to have a bike you want to ride rather than one for the posing value and resale value. Was good at the weekend seeing at the Ace Cafe someone doing lots of very impressive stunts quite happily on a new 04 R1 and it got a lot more attention and people impressed than the overly tarted up one parked up hoping for people to be impressed by it. Smile
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PostPosted: 15:07 - 20 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phoenix wrote:
Don't know about you but i'd call 4K an expensive bike! Have to be worth less than £1500 for me not to care too greatly about crashing it, and even then I probably still would.


Yeah i suppose it depends on your income. I have 0 income so im looking after my cbr well, becasue i need it to last. lol, its only worth about 1500.

£3,000 can get you an excellent bike, which will go faster, (both in the straights and round bends) than you can handle so why pay more, unless you have serious money to burn? I'd rather save the extra money, between an expensive bike and a cheaper one. They both would do the same thing really well. Only one might look a bit better

See what i mean? I wonder how many people here can out-ride a srad gixxer, or 918 blade... You just have to buy one in good condition, which should not be too hard.


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PostPosted: 15:38 - 20 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're expensive, impractical, cop magnet death traps Thumbs Down Confused

But they sure are absolutely fucking fantastic fun Thumbs Up Razz
(when the roads are clear, the cops aren't around and it's not raining)
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PostPosted: 15:40 - 20 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it all comes down to spending within your means.

I've never understood people who spend £x on a bike and then can't afford to maintain it or even run it. Your saving or your loan repayments or whatever should never leave you scrounging cash for petrol or leaving a knackered chain on your bike cos you can't afford a new one.

Nobody wants to throw their bike down a road, but I think that the 'investment' can weigh on some people's minds, as can other considerations like it being your only form of transport. Maybe this is good if it stops you doing silly things or maybe it stops you having fun.

My bike was £4k. When I first got it, I wrapped it in cotton wool - it was the most expensive thing I'd ever bought and I was damned if anything was going to happen to it. That wore off. I'm not a bike abuser, but I look at it this way - I spent four thousand pounds on that pile of metal and plastic and I'm damn well going to get something out of it. If I should crash it, I'll pay to fix it. I'd rather not have to, but if I'd wanted something to just stand around and look pretty, I'd have bought a sculpture. These days, my caution stems from a desire not to hurt *myself* rather than not to stack the bike.

In summary... I think you have more fun if you can afford to do some damage. Smile
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PostPosted: 15:41 - 20 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve H wrote:

The admiring (sometimes envious) glances, the beauty of the bike, the speed, the fact that I'm riding a machine that performance wise is unmatched by very few road going vehicles and is not a million miles away from those that race them professionally.


I've only quoted a bit but I completely agree with Steve Smile While I'm not one to tart up my bike (I think it's pretty lovely as is) I'll happily admit one of the main reasons I have one is the look of the thing. It looks beautiful, most people don't own one and most people when they see one would love to own one. I love that feeling. I look at it and it amazes me that it's mine. I love knowing it's performance is unreal, even if I don't use all that performance.
Yes, part of me would like to do wheelies etc. etc., but I'm not that bothered if I never do. I have a bike because of the image as much as anything else, and a sports bike is the image I've always wanted!
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PostPosted: 15:47 - 20 Aug 2004    Post subject: Synaptyx.... Fazer or SV? Reply with quote

One of my brothers has just got rid of an SV (faired version), and my other brother currently has a fazer. I had to borrow both when some tw4t 4cked up my Triumph whilst trying to nick it. Out of the two, the Fazer is the better riding position, really comfy over distance, and is soooo easy to ride fast. It just does everything for you, helping you out of situations that would otherwise put you on your @rse. The finish has held up well, and with a micron on it sounds great, good for pillion and luggage too. The Sv requires a little more commitment, and the riding position reflects this (can't help you with the unfaired one i'm afraid). While slower than the Fazer, the engine is a absolute 4cking riot, with so much low down grunt it's hilarious. This one had an Art can on it, and you couldn't help but keep opening it up just to hear it roar. Because of the nature of the engine, it's not terribly forgiving if you're in the wrong gear (first bike i've stalled in 10 years). The handling and position are fine at speed but around town I found it to be a bit af a pain in the @rse (and back, and arms).
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PostPosted: 16:28 - 20 Aug 2004    Post subject: bikes Reply with quote

Danny wrote:
.....supermoto too, they don't handle motorways very well, ....


why the hell not, i can sit on the motorway at 70 just as well as my mates monster ect Confused and at only 4k revs 90's easy sittable if you in a hurry

i am thinking of getting a cb500 soon for comuting/stunting Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 20 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

i've only got a £2000 bike because i can only afford that but if i could afford 10k on a bike then i'd treat it the same
like my dad says

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PostPosted: 16:51 - 20 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

if nobody bought sportsbikes (and dropped them) where would I (and like minded souls) find the ready supply of cheap high quality running gear for my old bikes?
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PostPosted: 18:38 - 20 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having owned quite a few bikes of various values over the years i've found advantages and disadvantages of each.
My dirt cheap RGV250 was great to thrash around and was great on tracks as it was so tatty that i didn't care if i dropped it. However it blew up on a regular basis and the idea of taking it further away than someone could come and get me was a big no no. However when i bought my R6 new,4 years ago, i was scared to drop it(i still am,but not as much) but could ride it anywhere no problem,we even rode down to Spain for the GP. So whats the answer,well in the ideal world i'd be loaded and have a track bike,commuter,supermoto etc.. well most of would i guess,so until we all win the lottery we pays our money and buy what makes us smile.
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PostPosted: 19:53 - 20 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

You all need a Bros.

If I stacked mine, It'd probably improve the thing. Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:54 - 20 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

tintin wrote:

Do you really all ride thinking I'm going to crash? OR if you crash a lot anyway then you probably shouldn't be riding a bike...


Nope. But the reason I like riding bikes is that you can push them and be to some degrees 'on their limits', while you'll probably never achieve this on the road, most you are still going to be pushing limits occasionaly.
Whether it's yours or the bikes limits, if you are 'pushing it a bit', which is what gives most people the feeling of satisfaction from their bikes, then things can always go wrong.

The way I see it, I might as well be in a car if I'm just gonna 'cruise' along... the bike is for fun Smile.

It means you don't have that naggin fear in the back of your mind wondering if you should actually go for it or sit back. Especially on track days.


Andy99:
For the price of a new r6 you pretty much could get one of each.
I have the following bikes:
zx9r: £2250, was a race bike, should soon have a MOT, does have gear box probs
r6: £2650 track bike, pretty standard, could be put back on the road if I wanted.
dr600: £600 for commuting and the odd wheelie (does need a new coil)
rs250: £1190 for fun road riding.

Hopefully the zx9 and dr will both be sorted soon, at least for general road use, pretty soon, have been very short of money recently.

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we pays our money and buy what makes us smile.

Riding bikes makes me smile, I can't see what it look like when I'm riding so I pay for the riding experience rather than the looks or 'newness'.
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PostPosted: 20:11 - 20 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't understand why a crashed SV is better than a crashed anything else? They're awfully underpowered for a wheelie machine (around 70bhp claimed), not torquey at all and just a bit boring. Also they're probably no cheaper than a crash damaged Blade, Exup or anything proper sporty.

Fairly light Damaged Blade for £1850? https://www.cheshiremotorcyclesalvage.com/Superbikes1.htm

Easy Fix RF900 (135bhp claimed) £1450.

There are more cheap damaged superbikes than SV's etc because SV's are boring Very Happy
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PostPosted: 20:18 - 20 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think mark was considering, ah, 'height' issue.

To be fair my wheelies improved quite a bit when I got lower powered bikes (say about 40hp or a bit less at the rear wheel)... because you really have to work them to keep it up, so you /have/ to get it high. While on bigger bikes you can just ride along on the torque and revs.
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 20 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

just because some of us have to compensate for lack of skill Razz
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PostPosted: 20:34 - 20 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi
Non sports bikes aint so bad Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 22:28 - 20 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
I think mark was considering, ah, 'height' issue.


And, if I buy an RF900 and go of practicing wheelies then drop it on the floor...

How the hell am I going to pick it back up?

An SV weighs 165 kilos with the standard Supr-Heavy (tm) can.

Also if you have the Bike magazine DVD from a few years back, you will see mr Martin 'Wild' Child sucessfully wheelying, stoppying, and donutting the hell out of an unfaired SV!

I won't need more than 70bhp when I drop the gearing! Also, it is a V Twin and so has loads of wheelie inducing midrange! Very Happy

You aint gonna change my mind! Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:39 - 20 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

My bike cost me £500 in 1987.

It doesn't wheelie. Or rather, I don't need to try and show off.

I've always thought of wheelie & other stunts on public roads as being akin to the Nova boys with the loud stereos.

'Look at me, I'm dangerous I am'.

What my bike does is get me from A to B with a smile on my face.

And as for being noticed, this is me on my bike.

Stands out more than an 'off-the-shelf' sports bike don't it?

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PostPosted: 00:12 - 21 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riteous apes dude!

There is a lot to be said for riding about on that style of thing. There is no pressure to 'hammer' it, you just enjoy the road and the freedom of being on it. If you see a sports bike coming up behind you, all you need worry about is if your shades are on straight and if the fork in your beard is blowing evenly over both shoulders...and if there are too many flies stuck in your teeth from grinning.

I garauntee that if I were to park my bobber rat jawa anywhere there are bikers and stood next to it, I would spend all day with people coming up and asking me about it then walking away chuckling and shaking their head.

Be different, stand out from the crowd and enjoy the riding, whatever you ride.
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PostPosted: 00:15 - 21 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

cool bike BTBv

i think it comes down to memories...
some of the best mortorcycling memories i have come down from when i couldnt afford much ( still cant really) so relied on cheaper bikes..
once you reach more £sd you worry more re value, paint, bike in general, etc and fun goes out..

ah the old days, cans of dulux for a colour scheme, club hammers for a toolkit
and a mars bar was 6 pence
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PostPosted: 03:49 - 21 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkywheely wrote:
Be different, stand out from the crowd and enjoy the riding, whatever you ride.


Exactly.

I could go out and buy any bike I wanted now, but it could never be the same.

I built that bike. The only original things left are the engine, carbs and wheels.

I saved up for 4 weeks on the dole to buy the first tail-light for it in 1988.

That picture was taken just after its post-divorce rebuild in 1998.

It'll break the speed limit if I want it to. It'll turn heads at 20mph, something no plastic-covered crotch rocket could really do.

It's my bike and I love it. Very Happy

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PostPosted: 11:41 - 21 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I wanted to get from A to B in a leisurely fashion and get noticed by everyone while enjoying the 'freedom' of the road, I'd paint my Passat estate bright pink (don't get any ideas Kev, Laura.)

However as I prefer riding I go for a bike with performance rather than erm, 'style'. I ride for the expereince, or to get to B quicker than in the car.

Personally, while I admit I have occasionaly done stunts infront of the public in general (for the same tarty feelings as those that make you put some rather impractical, I presume, bars on your bike) I make sure that I'm way within in my skills, so I'm not endangering anyone.

Whatever makes you happy, I suppose Thumbs Up.
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 21 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dunno since i crashed the Goose an i have the house going through, problems are high, i'm being hassled by my parents and brother.
If the house isn't much of a problem crashing my pride and joy and loosing a stack of cash might teach me a lesson to do things correctly next time.

I just hope i can source a cheap motorbike or car to get to work and back!
But searching for a cheap motorbike is becoming a task in itself!

But ever since i went on holiday i was definetly coming round to just getting an older 4 stroke 125 off road bike just to tie me over. But even thats becomeing a pain.
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PostPosted: 13:03 - 21 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should do what I did.

Let some other muppet buy a shiny sportsbike, then crash it and wipe the value off. Then you buy it cheap and have great fun on the thing without worrying about dropping it cos its already about as dented as it can be! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 21 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

McJamweasel wrote:

Let some other muppet buy a shiny sportsbike, then crash it and wipe the value off.


No need to rub it in Rolling Eyes Razz.
Did manage 6 months without crashing it, which was pretty damn good for me (then crashed it twice in two weeks Confused).
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