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Poseidon
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 25 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ScottT wrote:
If i was 30yrs younger i would be filling a garage with a selection of Chinese bikes... there might be a good market for them in 30yrs time.


Or you could be left with just several mounds of rust the approximate dimensions of a motorbike.
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PostPosted: 18:03 - 25 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ive got a gsx750 inazuma , there doesnt seem to many about over here and the parts are extortionate

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PostPosted: 18:17 - 25 Sep 2016    Post subject: Re: The Wisdom of Ebay Reply with quote

lingeringstink wrote:
My crappy 1976 MZ and stuff!

I don't care how old or "unique" an MZ is, it's just a bike and stuff!


I love it BECAUSE it's worth nothing, cheap to operate, easy to fix and totally unique. It gets me from A to B reliably with a smile for peanuts and I will ride and enjoy it

Ironically many of the bits on my bike that at the time you couldn't give away are now "worth" something, such as the classic BSA petrol tank, the vintage Japanese TLS front wheel, the classic car SU carb and the vintage air in the tyres.


Purely out of interest, any pictures?
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PostPosted: 18:17 - 25 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Think only 2 of the bikes I have were still in production under 20 years ago.

1200 Bandit - almost certainly a potential classic. Sold by the bucket load and so with a large market of people potentially wanting one when they had one in their youth. Owned this for over 19 years now.

RS125 - probably already getting there with so many people having had them as learner bikes. I managed to get away with having mine on a classic policy when it was only 8~9 years old! Owned this for 22 years now.

But never certain. For example to me the FZ750 is a bigger step forward in bikes than the GSXR750 (FZ had a perimeter frame, engine and chassis designed to compliment each other, water cooled, etc - GSXR was just an air cooled lump tarted up with a bigger oil flow and a light weight frame), but as a classic the GSXR is already there while the FZ is not really anywhere to be seen.

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PostPosted: 18:21 - 25 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

My YR5 and GT200 are already classics. My GSXR1100L is however on it's way. It's doubled in value in the 3 years I've owned it, and as the original slabbies reach silly money attention turns to the Slinghshots. Not quite got the cache of the "killer" K which did it's widowmaking in public at the proddie TT, but one of the first U.K. Bikes to have USD forks and still a hairy chested old thing.

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PostPosted: 18:27 - 25 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ScottT wrote:
This classic market is due to mostly the over 50's who now have spare money buying bikes they either rode when they were younger, or bikes they wanted when they were younger.

If this type of thing continues then in 20-30yrs time a sports 600 from the last 10-15yrs will be very sought after and worth a few quid. The sports 600 is this generations version of the 250 two strokes from the 70's & 80's, the generation before that had Bantams.

Will they be fit enough to ride them tho Smile

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If i was 30yrs younger i would be filling a garage with a selection of Chinese bikes, the amount of youngsters riding around on Chinese 50's - 125's there might be a good market for them in 30yrs time when they have the money to relive their youth and you can pick them up for next to nothing at the moment.

Pfft they won't last that long Razz When I last looked 125 'sporty' 2-strokes weren't too extortionate, I'd be looking at those for near-future classics.
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PostPosted: 18:28 - 25 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure if any of mine meet the criteria entirely.

I reckon my MT5 will one day be a classic, when I was riding round on it old farts used to try to talk to me about it.

My CRM, may or may not become a classic, seems to have a following but has neither gone up or down in value, I remember they were about 1500 for a "not too bad" example when I first thought about one when I was 18, before I bought the TTR. The TTR is in entirely the same boat, it will just become another forgotten trail bike in twenty years.

The H100 for some bizarre reason will end up a classic, people tend to like boring bikes they used to see all the time. Laughing

The Mito will more than likely become a classic, cos Rossi raced one once init. The more special learner bikes will become classics.

My CB400 Super Four I can see disappearing into nothingness, becoming hacks that get chopped up by teenagers with delusions of grandeur.

The Cub is going up in value, I will always get the £50 back for it.
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PostPosted: 21:57 - 25 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of the bikes we have, the Ducati M750 and M900, the Zephyr 750, the R850R are future classics IMO. We also have a R100RT and a R65 in various pieces that have the potential to be if I can find the time and motivation to restore them.
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PostPosted: 10:47 - 26 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

of the bikes i own:

Gpz500 - gazilions sold, always used and abused but there is a decent fan base.. i doubt it will be a "future classic" as the gen 1(which i have) is already a classic.. the values are still shit Laughing

yzf600r thundercat - almost certainly has a good chance of being a classic.
Since buying mine, i've noticed prices rising. Its a genuinely good bike that does it all and i can see that working to its advantage as time goes on/more get written off or stripped.

Finding a decent low mileage one for cheap is quite a challenge
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PostPosted: 11:13 - 26 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
ScottT wrote:
This classic market is due to mostly the over 50's who now have spare money buying bikes they either rode when they were younger, or bikes they wanted when they were younger.

Will they be fit enough to ride them tho Smile

Doesn't really matter, plenty of bikes sit in garages and rarely (if ever) get used. 2/3rd of mine aren't being ridden on any given day.

Give it another 10 years and mint, low mileage CBR600F "barn finds" might be the jackpot winner.
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PostPosted: 16:13 - 26 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Triumph TT600:
Triumph's first in-line four-cylinder and fuel-injected 600cc sportbike. With a run of 3 years.
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PostPosted: 18:06 - 26 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Mk1 Speed Triple and my GSXR750M. Why? Because if people talk about something as valuable often enough, they become valuable. This is how the art and antiques world works. It is all bullshit...
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 26 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think "classic" is banded around far too much these days.

Is a Bimota ever a classic ? or is it just expensive exotica ?

I think mine tend to end up in the latter. A 916 or RS250 were never destined to be used by the masses, quite the opposite, so I don't think they're worthy of the classic status ....

Likewise, my GFR, RS Extrema's and Af1's all had limited exposure to the biking masses, so were never designed to be classics. In fact, most of them nicked most of their engineering/design from Japanese counter parties so were hardly groundbreaking either .....

For me a classic needs to be as good as something twice the price, or trailblazing in design or execution. I'm more inclined to think twin headlight Fireblade, early hinckley triumphs, late 80's 400cc pocket rockets, 90's busa's, that sort of thing ........
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PostPosted: 19:18 - 26 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing is by that logic that the bikes don't need to be classics then to still be rare and expensive to buy when they come up for sale.

If you think that bikes like the RS250, NSR250 MC28 and VJ23 RGV were the pinnacle of the 250 class and the last most developed ones, then things like the Gilera GFR and Aprilia RS Extrema SP's were in a 125cc arms race that peaked in the early-mid 90's.

There's few of them still around now, and seeing as 125's never got any quicker or more desirable than that, I think you'd have a safe bet in these bikes appreciating in value.

Its the sort of reason I'd like to own an MG Metro 6R4 or 205 T16 as you'll never experience a madder car in a pinnacle class of that sport again. Its quite sad that these people with 300bhp+ mega hatchbacks think they own something monsterous. 400-500bhp cars of this size or smaller were first done 30+ years ago!
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PostPosted: 19:35 - 26 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:
The thing is by that logic that the bikes don't need to be classics then to still be rare and expensive to buy when they come up for sale.


Yeah, in a nutshell.

Classics shouldn't be rare. Maybe it should be unusual see it in mint condition, but they shouldn't be rare in production numbers.

And being "expensive" in the first instance, doesn't necessarily make them a great bike. Based on asking price, is a Bimota based on a TL1000 twice or 3 times as good as a standard TL1000 ? A bike in limited production runs will always hold their value, but it doesn't follow that they're any better to ride than a cheaper alternative.

I totally agree about the comparison to modern machinery, though. Teenagers will never really be able to enjoy a 25 bhp 2 stroke, its all boring 11 bhp 4 strokes these days. So in that sense, we probably have seen the best 125's ever made....

I went for a quick parp on the RS extrema at the weekend ..... the noise..... the smell .... the ridiculousness of a 40 year old on a 25 year old 2 stroke ...... banter....

i need to grow up ....
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PostPosted: 19:51 - 26 Sep 2016    Post subject: Future classics Reply with quote

My 2 beloved motorcycles ,

1997 Red Suzuki TL 1000 S

2001 Kawasaki W650

Both great to ride in their own way and have their own unique appeal !
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 26 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:



Its the sort of reason I'd like to own an MG Metro 6R4 or 205 T16 as you'll never experience a madder car in a pinnacle class of that sport again. Its quite sad that these people with 300bhp+ mega hatchbacks think they own something monsterous. 400-500bhp cars of this size or smaller were first done 30+ years ago!


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PostPosted: 22:24 - 26 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

You trying to say I'm some sort of sicko perverted predatory Metro phile? Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:50 - 26 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honda SP-2. It was the last production HRC homologation superbike, and the last of the golden-era of Honda sportsbikes when quality was absolutely everything. It's also an uncharacteristic motorcycle for Honda, being focused, hard and unforgiving.

Values are on the rise and have been for 4-5 years, so clearly the market already considers it a classic. The trend will follow the RC30 and RC45 before it, although probably not quite so steeply (there were more SPs). Speaking of which, the RC45 fits the criteria too.

Aside from that, the Ducati Panigale 1199 Superlegerra is destined to be a classic. Possibly just as much or more than the Desmosedici.
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PostPosted: 00:08 - 27 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

The SP2 is pretty much my dream bike, or at least for the last few years. But at £4k I struggled to think it was worth spending on a 13 year old bike......now they are nearer £6k and definitely out of my league.
Bayliss vs Edwards is such a strong memory, so iconic. The SP2 is definitely a classic!

1. Mk1 GSXR750
https://www.totalmotorcycle.com/modelhistorytimelines/1986-Suzuki-GSX-R750a.jpg

2. Mk1 Fireblade
https://www.hondafireblade.com/communities/0/004/007/091/490/images/4537874410.jpg

3. CBR600 F-Sport. The precursor to the RR and the supersport glory days (that I remember reading about).
https://thumbs.picclick.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/KzoAAOSwSv1XkTTb/$/Honda-CBR600-F4i-CBR600-f-sport-_57.jpg



4. Curvy SV650S

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Hear me out. It was pitched as the poor mans Ducati. It was entry level after passing test. Its the Mk1.
For all its faults, its been in production for 16 years in one form or another.
Like the C90, CG125, the FS1E, its the first right of passage for many folk.
It wasn't my first bike, but I've had one for 2 years and not been immune to its charms.


Chickenstrip has already said the Striple. I agree, the Mk1 is where its at, the Mk2 is more....sensible.

I would also add the mk1 bandit. Like the Striple after it, they nailed the parts bin against a cost and came up with (of its time) gold.
It was (and is) a right of passage. It spawned the Hornet. Another possible classic.
https://images.mcn.bauercdn.com/upload/934/images/styr_y0w-01.jpg


Edit: Oops, i seem to have missed the point of the post having not actually owned these bikes except sv Embarassed


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PostPosted: 08:04 - 27 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pigeon wrote:



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PostPosted: 08:47 - 27 Sep 2016    Post subject: Re: Future classics Reply with quote

tadge wrote:
2001 Kawasaki W650

Are already asking daft prices. Not necessarily getting, but expectations are rising.
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PostPosted: 09:13 - 27 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

can't see my '08 fz6 being a classic, tonnes of them about

the gpz there are less of the gen 1's (40 A5 model on the road in the uk) but again, there are loads of the later ones about
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PostPosted: 09:35 - 27 Sep 2016    Post subject: Re: Future classics Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
tadge wrote:
2001 Kawasaki W650

Are already asking daft prices. Not necessarily getting, but expectations are rising.


Yes they are. And no they're not.

I flogged mine back in August. Bought it off a dealer 2 years ago for £3.4 w/ 4k on it. Sold it for £2.7 with 10k on it. It wasn't mint but it was very tidy - as the vast majority of them always are, being seniors' bikes that see way more garage than road time.

Before listing I bounced start prices off a couple of mates. I'd previously done the requisite ebay searches - focusing on completed listings. These revealed two things: from the latter, nothing was shifting. From current listings, 90% were being offered by dealers, and they all wanted three and a half large.

I asked a mate for a start price, he said two grand max. I fucking baulked. He said well what the fuck ever, then - DREAMER. I explained about ebay - he said they're all in the hands of dealers who may or may not get that price, but if they do it probably won't be this year, it probably won't be next either. Whereas you want the garage space NOW. So I adjusted for private sale accordingly and listed at £2950. Got a fair few low ball insults on day one, of 2k etc.

Eventually on day nine me and a fairly local guy shook on 2.7. I wept the scalding hot tears of despair and woe all the way to the Leeds. Lesson learned? Never buy off a fucking dealer, asshat. Especially when they're the other end of the country and you can't even "take" "advantage" of their "warranty" (i.e. arguably the only plus point of a stealer over a privateer).

Do I think it could be a future classic? It rode nicely. Sweet and quite unique under-square lump loved serving up a dose of short shifted torque. And it didn't mind corners either. Kick start was lovely. Sounded pants, mind (imo). Wasn't *that* comfy - strangely. Could be immensely frugal though. But no - not a future classic. Because nobody has ever really embraced this bike. No-one's ever gone mad for it - not even those seniors it was aimed at, but certainly not the youngins who's hipster beards might have got tangled in its spokes.

Nah, it was just a pre-emptive rival of the new gen Bonnie, but even though it was arguably the better bike (and it kind of was, let's be honest), the wrong tank badge sunk it. And mine wasn't getting used. Honestly? I found it a bit bland. Pretty though.



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PostPosted: 09:42 - 27 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's hardly going to be a future classic, but it is getting rarer Very Happy

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