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Easy-X wrote: | That's similar numbers to my XSR and while it's a cheeky little engine it's hardly what I'd call unmanageable. Are big singles dramatically different? |
Well, I think engine type and configuration does tend to matter a bit when it comes to specific application.
A Huksy 701 ridden like a normal person, in the UK, isn't going to cause any problems and definitely doesn't require any special skills. However, I believe that any 4-cylinder faired bike with those same power figures would just be a lot better adapted to this environment and these riding conditions, because the power delivery is inherently smoother and more manageable. It would have all the acceleration and overtaking ability you would need in normal riding conditions. It's better adapted for the road. It would just be more boring than the Husky.
To use the correct, specialist technical term, it's a blurt-blurt thing. The big singles have that blurt-blurt X-factor - instant power delivered down low, and when you've got a lot of traction it's a lot of fun. It's a kind of over-promise of power, but it delivers at low revs. Some people may want to do wheelies. However, the problem, IMO occurs when you need it. In Europe, riding an XT660 on a really, really steep and slippery mountain road which was polished smooth, it took effort and concentration to take bends which were, literally, like U-turns 2 car parking spaces in breadth, because the rear was itching to slip out with the torque that that bike delivered. In those conditions, a less powerful bike (e.g. a 250) would have been less taxing. Or even a more powerful 4-cylinder bike that wasn't so wild in response to throttle input from down low.
With modern engine management systems, the speed and acceleration is managed to a considerable extent for you. This might be why twins rule the roost today. They can probably program the power delivery to suit the expected environment and riding conditions. However, something tuned to crawl up rock faces and do a wheelie upon command is going to demand more attention and care when doing certain more everyday things. |
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stinkwheel Bovine Proctologist
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Posted: 21:47 - 05 Dec 2021 Post subject: |
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I'd imagine the husky makes most of its power at high revs too. I had an XTZ660 derived MZ and it was no slouch, up to 90mph in any case. It also delivered enough low down power to knock hell out of the drivetrain. It would shred lumps off sticky rear tyres.
When suzuki went full retard in the big singles market with their DR800, they had to warn owners not to shift into second too soon because they were snapping final drive chains. That was with 67bhp. How many sportsbikes snap their chain? ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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Explicitly mentioned: 45bhp is an artificial restriction...
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Now that's interesting.
So they've played it conservatively, on the ECU map. I wonder how it would behave when fully unleashed. It's bound to be as lean as heck, out of the factory. A free-breathing exhaust and a remap, and I wonder what it would produce...
If I owned one, I'd want to experiment a bit. |
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I think it looks like a decent effort to be honest, I was expecting a real abomination.
Talking of the power, 45hp seems very reasonable for this machine and like others have said, probably a few more easy power gains if it bothers you.
Just looking at peak horse power for a big thumper is doing a bit of a disservice to it though really. Its quite a different experience riding big torque waves with lots of violent cattery soundings things going on under you with a ton of engine braking.
The rad cap sticks out like a sore thumb, bit sad to see they did not do as good a job as triumph in hiding the rad some.
https://i.gyazo.com/99b111829b768ac8a429adedc0adb2ad.jpg
And yep, the massive exhaust just looks like a skin, probably hiding a double cat in there, nicely done to be honest.
https://i.gyazo.com/b21dbf805d6380ef5a6b9a9f3c7d3105.png
Overall I think this matches up in its market, pretty competitive against the bullet/inter/street twin/w800.
Interested to see what they do next. ____________________ Previous : 09 Vanvan 125| 02' Sv650s || Current: 1999 Xj600n | 1992 DR650 RSE | 2005 Fazer 1000 |
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A dubious but intriguing figure of 90hp when the beast is unleashed has been mentioned by the last BSA works rider:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzAqeSCLZrI
I wonder if he meant that in the factory in India they got 90hp out of it by sticking a blower on the engine, during testing to destruction, on the bench.
The non-Euro 5 version for the Indian market is rated at 56hp, apparently. |
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That B33 is lovely, the disc front end looks just right. ____________________ All the above is my personal opinion, you can see my lips move, but I'm talking out of my arse.
I've been riding, and fixing , bikes for 50 years, in that time the more I learn, the less I am absolutely sure of..... |
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2022 BSA Gold Star - first ride review & old vs new
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AQWhJG14Qg
I kind of like it. ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 1 year, 329 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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