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PostPosted: 12:18 - 28 May 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Yep, and then had a hissyfit when their failed parenting resulted in the death of their little darling.


The smell of compensation is alluring, even in 'grief'. In a country that's let that little bastard Mizzy off the hook
time and time again and Stop Oil wankers cause havoc left right and centre without fear of prosecution, they
may well get it too. Has the inevitable shrine to these two wasters popped up yet?
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 28 May 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote
Not quite sure how you equate protest with death by dangerous driving.
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PostPosted: 12:35 - 28 May 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Not quite sure how you equate protest with death by dangerous driving.


If you are referring to my post, he killed the passenger. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 28 May 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Not quite sure how you equate protest with death by dangerous driving.


If you are referring to my post, he killed the passenger. Thumbs Up


Not you....

I was talking about fuel protestors being equated to dangerous driving.
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PostPosted: 12:45 - 28 May 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nobby the Bastard wrote:
I was talking about fuel protestors being equated to dangerous driving.


Ah, I understand. Thank you for clearing up my confusion. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 28 May 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Not quite sure how you equate protest with death by dangerous driving.

More general comment about how toothless the law is that it seems you can do what the fuck you want, especially
if you're some kind of minority™. I've got no problem with protest in principle but if it curtails my lawful activities
then it's not really on. I don't expect you to agree.

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(1)If a person, without lawful authority or excuse, in any way wilfully obstructs the free passage along a highway he is guilty of an offence and liable to [imprisonment for a term not exceeding 51 weeks or] a fine [or both].


Highways act 1980. Just for reference.
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PostPosted: 14:37 - 28 May 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I pass about 50 metres from here on my regular commute.

Police chased them and then seem to bold-face lie about it. 2 sets of video evidence clearly show a chase. The boys turned down a 'bollarded' street so the police couldnt follow. Still not clear on the exact moment of the crash though.

There is video on social media showing the aftermath... including a baton charge by a line of police. Questionably, this line included some absolutely tiny female coppers whose batons were bigger than them. Not exactly going to intimidate a crowd of chavs.

Parents of the dead kids were amongst those being pushed back. As a dad of a 15 yr old I can confirm i'd be pretty pissed if that were me.

Still - nice weather we're having.


And would you also be setting random cars in the street on fire?
Would you be stupid enough to give a fifteen year old a powered bike?
Do you use a pudding bowl to cut your childs hair?

Of course im being fascicous as none of us when we were fifteen resisted speeding about dangerously on anything available with wheels but there's a lot of poor excuses being made for pointlessly riotous behaviour. I feel sorry for anyone living in that area who has to put up with the pricks who were running around like morons that night. We have a small element like that round where I live. Every time some bike thief spackered themselves there would be the nearest lamp post dressed up in memorial tinsel. Eventually the council got wise to the fact this quite rightfully pi##ed off everyone and took the stupid memorial lampost decore down.

It seems sometimes society is dominated by knob heads at the top of society and twats at the bottom end with the rest of us stuck in between.
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PostPosted: 14:51 - 28 May 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote
grr666 wrote:
Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Not quite sure how you equate protest with death by dangerous driving.

More general comment about how toothless the law is that it seems you can do what the fuck you want, especially
if you're some kind of minority™. I've got no problem with protest in principle but if it curtails my lawful activities
then it's not really on. I don't expect you to agree.


Except the government is changing laws to curtail public protest and has been doing so with regular updates of the public order act. Plus you might not agree with what JSO are about but they are sincerely concerned about the world and humanity. I doubt the bowl haircut and trackies brigade give a s#1t about anything.
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PostPosted: 14:55 - 28 May 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Every time some bike thief spackered themselves there would be the nearest lamp post dressed up in memorial tinsel. Eventually the council got wise to the fact this quite rightfully pi##ed off everyone and took the stupid memorial lampost decore down.



https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/angry-biker-claims-responsibility-burning-216790
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PostPosted: 15:53 - 28 May 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ribenapigeon wrote:


And would you also be setting random cars in the street on fire?
Would you be stupid enough to give a fifteen year old a powered bike?
Do you use a pudding bowl to cut your childs hair?



It seems sometimes society is dominated by knob heads at the top of society and twats at the bottom end with the rest of us stuck in between.


I cant say I didn't do such things as a youngster - I do come from such an area. By 15 though i'd sorted myself out a bit.

They did have awful haircuts. Seems to be the current trend.

Yes agree with your succinct description of societal disfunction. Although plenty of us in-betweeners are assholes too.
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PostPosted: 16:09 - 28 May 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote
sickpup wrote:
grr666 wrote:
Speaking as a non parent of course.


Or you could teach these theoretical children you don't have that stealing other peoples property is wrong and not reward them for being scrotes. Nice bit of left-wing theoretical parenting going in there. Thumbs Up

The important bit is emboldened for the people in the shitty seats. How I would or wouldn't parent really is a
moot point since I don't have and will never have kids. I was trying to come at it from the perspective of a parent
who knows full well their kid is a thieving little shit and in their own "give them what they want and let them
run amok" way is trying to dissuade said kids getting themselves in deeper shit. Personally I'm glad the little
bastards are dead, in the long run it's a net win for society. I'm pretty sure the cost of a few burnt out 20 year old
Audis, a couple of dozen paving slabs, a few hours of ineffectual policing and a gang of street sweepers to tidy
up afterwards is a drop in the ocean to what the two little pricks have cost and would continue to cost the taxpayer
over their weed addled, alphabetti spaghetti eating lives in their role as a permanent burden to the taxpayer and
annoyance to the people who live nearby. Personally I'd be billing the parents for the damage as well and dragging
them through the courts to get the money with prison on offer for non payment along with every single well known
local scrote the old bill were able to identify as taking part in an opportunity to lob stuff at Police under the guise
of it being about this pair of man bag wearing wasters.

Ribenapigeon wrote:

Except the government is changing laws to curtail public protest and has been doing so with regular updates of the public order act.

Good. That's what Parliament Square is for, Go and throw orange paint and wave signs at them if you've an axe to grind
but you're out of order causing problems for everyday people who don't share your opinion. Especially those who drive
something for a living so they can feed their families. You start messing with peoples income so you can make your
little point and you're opening a big angry can of worms. Something tells me if the Police weren't thereto protect them,
these roadblock demonstrations would be over before they begun courtesy of Joe Public. They really aren't going to
garner any sympathy for their cause by doing what they're doing.

Ribenapigeon wrote:
Plus you might not agree with what JSO are about but they are sincerely concerned about the world and humanity.

To me, they seem to be spearheading a race to the bottom without a viable alternative affordably on offer.
Without fossil fuel use as we have it today more or less all of us, including them would starve, there's
only so many lentils you can grow in the window box of an Islington townhouse. Tell you what, when you give
up your bike and car, I'll follow suit. Thumbs Up

Ribenapigeon wrote:
I doubt the bowl haircut and trackies brigade give a s#1t about anything.

If you think that was a riot, stop their benefits, see how that goes.
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grr666 wrote:

To me, they seem to be spearheading a race to the bottom without a viable alternative affordably on offer.
Without fossil fuel use as we have it today more or less all of us, including them would starve, there's
only so many lentils you can grow in the window box of an Islington townhouse. Tell you what, when you give
up your bike and car, I'll follow suit. Thumbs Up

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That's for another thread. As I said you may not agree with them but they're sincere in their belief what they're doing is ultimately for good. That's clearly not the case with those rioters or the case with the grifting profiteers who build our crappy infrastructure systems the latter being the most likely to be preventing you from going about your lawful business. I'll take the inconvenience of people on demo`s over those ba$tards any day.
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PostPosted: 17:11 - 28 May 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ribenapigeon wrote:
...you may not agree with them but they're sincere in their belief what they're doing is ultimately for good.


A sincere death cult, well that's okay then Neutral
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Ribenapigeon wrote:
...you may not agree with them but they're sincere in their belief what they're doing is ultimately for good.


A sincere death cult, well that's okay then Neutral


Your welcome to open up a thread on JSO and im sure we'll all be able to take a poke at them but that doesn't detract from my point that they're a different problem.
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DaddyStu wrote:
I pass about 50 metres from here on my regular commute.

Police chased them and then seem to bold-face lie about it. 2 sets of video evidence clearly show a chase. The boys turned down a 'bollarded' street so the police couldnt follow. Still not clear on the exact moment of the crash though.

The video show a van following them, calling it a chase seems overly dramatic.

Not pictured in the video is them shoplifting which is why they were of interest to the police.

DaddyStu wrote:
Parents of the dead kids were amongst those being pushed back. As a dad of a 15 yr old I can confirm i'd be pretty pissed if that were me.

Should they have let the parents through to go and see the dead bodies?

Should they have let people through rather than dealing with it as a crime scene?
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are police not supposed to chase crims anymore then?
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At least they didn't take anyone else out.
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I literally care more about my screenwash needing filling up.


As said above. Thumbs Up
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Your welcome to open up a thread on JSO and im sure we'll all be able to take a poke at them but that doesn't detract from my point that they're a different problem.


We have the Extinction Rebellion thread - same money, same people, same death cult. What ties the two things together that grr666 might be alluding to is Repressive Tolerance - that criminality from certain groups is ignored or even encouraged whereas ordinary citizens are prosecuted with extreme prejudice by the police - seemingly to hasten a state of anarcho-tyranny.
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We have the Extinction Rebellion thread - same money, same people, same death cult. What ties the two things together that grr666 might be alluding to is Repressive Tolerance - that criminality from certain groups is ignored or even encouraged whereas ordinary citizens are prosecuted with extreme prejudice by the police - seemingly to hasten a state of anarcho-tyranny.


Gibberish.
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It's easy to scoff that the people throwing orange powder on rugby pitches haven't read A Critique of Pure Tolerance but the people running them certainly have. Is it a requirement that trainee police officers read some Kimberlé Crenshaw? Probably not but you can bet some of her fans got hired at the College of Policing after the Macpherson Report.

Tearing down the West is a big project and its advocates have been writing about it for years but if you have a better explanation as to why justice is not applied universally I'm all ears.
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The video show a van following them, calling it a chase seems overly dramatic.



There were 2 similar videos. One was definitely a chase (1 sec behind them) while I agree the other was more like following.

To your other point. Yes they should've let the parents through and shown a little understanding/compassion/empathy. 20+ police baton-charging the bereaved is idiotic at best. Old lady showed me the facebook vid. A bad look.
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to v or not to v wrote:
are police not supposed to chase crims anymore then?


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John O’Driscoll, Harvey’s great uncle, said Monday’s night riot “was wrong” but “was out of frustration”.

“It was because a lot of the boys get abused by the police around here and so that’s why things kicked off,” he said.

“They were just young boys. Everyone rides bikes and scooters around here. Yes, we find them annoying but that’s just what they do.

“But as soon as those coppers saw they had no helmets they should’ve stopped.”

Speaking at the vigil, another of Harvey’s uncles said: “We’re all tarred with the same brush here, especially given what happened on Monday.

“But this is the true Ely. Look how many people have turned out to pay their respects.

“The only difference between Monday and today is that the police aren’t here.”


Ely doesn't need the police, according to the crims of Ely.
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It's easy to scoff that the people throwing orange powder on rugby pitches haven't read A Critique of Pure Tolerance but the people running them certainly have. Is it a requirement that trainee police officers read some Kimberlé Crenshaw? Probably not but you can bet some of her fans got hired at the College of Policing after the Macpherson Report.

Tearing down the West is a big project and its advocates have been writing about it for years but if you have a better explanation as to why justice is not applied universally I'm all ears.


Not just gibberish but conspiracy theory gibberish. The reason things are crap is because successive governments have been.
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It's because it's easier to identify and nab people to get that quick conviction is they are mostly lawabiding and don't try and run away.

That can be definately put down to reducions in budget for policing and the judicial system in general.
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