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PostPosted: 23:36 - 15 Jun 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ah yes, that seems to work.
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richardeblack
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PostPosted: 10:38 - 24 Apr 2025    Post subject: explain timing lug of flywheel Reply with quote

Hello,
Sorry about jumping on to an old post but am having similar problems understanding this.
I am also confused about this lug on a Yamaha TW125 which I am struggling with.
using a strobe, I see that the cdi sparks just at the beginning of the lug on the flywheel. This places the spark at about 70 degrees advanced and the bike will just about run but very badly and only by keeping the revs up.
Interestingly the approximately correct timing position is just as the end of the lug passes the sensor.
Is this likely to be a problem with the sensor or the CDI?
From reading previous helpful bits it seems to suggest that the voltage is passing the trigger point too soon after the lug starts to pass the sensor.
I have attached a not very good picture which I hope helps to understand my issue. The engine rotates anti clockwise as you look at the picture.
I have tried two CDI units but don't have a spare sensor.
Any advice on how i proceed is greatly welcomed.
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WD Forte
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PostPosted: 10:58 - 24 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

70 BTDC sounds way too advanced to me.
Normally you get a slightly retarded spark to get a motor running then
as speed picks up maybe an advance of say 30 BTDC on yer common or garden bikes.

With fixed pulsers you'll probably get a one size fits all of say 6-10 ish BTDC
unless it has a 'smart' CDI that can sense rpm and trigger at a lower threshold voltage effectively advancing it.
Sometimes you may get a 'Semi smart' type where the CDI get triggered by a varying voltage from a tps on the carb and it advances the spark
as the throttle is opened.
My 250 Majesty has this.
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richardeblack
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PostPosted: 19:39 - 24 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD Forte wrote:
70 BTDC sounds way too advanced to me.
Normally you get a slightly retarded spark to get a motor running then
as speed picks up maybe an advance of say 30 BTDC on yer common or garden bikes.

With fixed pulsers you'll probably get a one size fits all of say 6-10 ish BTDC
unless it has a 'smart' CDI that can sense rpm and trigger at a lower threshold voltage effectively advancing it.
Sometimes you may get a 'Semi smart' type where the CDI get triggered by a varying voltage from a tps on the carb and it advances the spark
as the throttle is opened.
My 250 Majesty has this.

Yes, 70 is way to advanced and it is at least 70, probably more.
It has got a connection to the carburettor but i don't think that has anything to do with the advance. The bike is about a 2000 bike so not terrifically clever.
I can only think that the pulsar should build up the voltage as the lug is passing and reach a trigger voltage towards the end of the lug.
Thank you for the help.
Richard.
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