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PostPosted: 20:16 - 18 Sep 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Half a million is about how much of the primary residence can be discounted for inheritance tax if it has passed from one partner to the other and then onto dependants.

When it is inherited by someones partner it's exempt. It's only when its passed onto dependants that inheritance tax is involved.

Boomers literally own half of everything there is to be owned.


And when we die, and those assets are passed on, Boomers won't own half of everything will they, gen XYZ or whatever they call themselves will, unless the bloody government takes i.
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 18 Sep 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boomers also seem to be pathologically unable to pay tax.

Despite the fact that the vast majority of health care costs fall because of them.


The other grouping that cause uneven costs on healthcare is children. they, however, dont have in a lot of cases assets.


'OOOh, my house is for my kids!'

'So you don't want to pay someone to wipe your arse then?'
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PostPosted: 20:49 - 18 Sep 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Boomers also seem to be pathologically unable to pay tax.

Despite the fact that the vast majority of health care costs fall because of them.


The other grouping that cause uneven costs on healthcare is children. they, however, dont have in a lot of cases assets.


'OOOh, my house is for my kids!'

'So you don't want to pay someone to wipe your arse then?'


You do get it that I still pay tax Nobby? I pay tax on my pension. I pay VAT and fuel and whatever else the government dictates I should pay. I'm still paying for that person to wipe my arse, although she hasn't been round to do it yet.

I just don't agree with inheritence tax. You can, that's your choice. I don't.
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PostPosted: 20:52 - 18 Sep 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

What tax do you think should be paid for bottom wiping?

You seem to disagree with many taxes but dont actually suggest how social care and the NHS are paid for instead.
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 18 Sep 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What tax do you think should be paid for bottom wiping?


Foreign aid as I'm part Spanish.
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PostPosted: 20:58 - 18 Sep 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Inheritance tax is just taxing money that's already been taxed.

Earn it - pay tax
Spend it - pay tax
Save it - pay tax
Snuff it - pay tax

Can't be arsed to work - given free money
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PostPosted: 21:12 - 18 Sep 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
What tax do you think should be paid for bottom wiping?

You seem to disagree with many taxes but dont actually suggest how social care and the NHS are paid for instead.


What other taxes have I specifically disagreed with?

And in my view, as I said earlier in some thread. The NHS needs to be pared back to basic medical care. None of the expensive life choices that it seems to embrace nowadays but thats not going to happen until the country is so bankrupt the NHS will fall apart. It's the 'jewel' in the countrys crown. Rolling Eyes

Germanys health system is a mix of public and private financing and still free at point of care. Imagine the howls if so=meone in power suggested having private companies involved. Cutting off your nose to spite your face springs to mind.
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PostPosted: 22:00 - 18 Sep 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

I seem to remember you bitching about some tax when I pointed out that care for the oldies has to be paid some how and that was the point when you erroneously announced that I hated old people.
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PostPosted: 22:43 - 18 Sep 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I seem to remember you bitching about some tax when I pointed out that care for the oldies has to be paid some how and that was the point when you erroneously announced that I hated old people.


You hate that old people are using your taxes to survive. I really dont give a shit but you obviously dont care that people have paid in the past. What are you going to do when you reach retirement age Nobby, top your self? Or just expect your kids money to wipe your ass? Cause I really hpoe my kids don't pay for it.
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PostPosted: 22:55 - 18 Sep 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are the one that assumes that I have a hatred of the old.

I don't, what I'm doing is acknowledging that society is getting older and as a result more resourses need to be directed to their care.

I also acknowledge that those resourses have to be paid for.

What precisely should be taxed to pay for that?

You do a good job of refusing to answer that question.
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PostPosted: 23:58 - 18 Sep 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

The greatest con in history: taxes - any taxes - are a moral good. No one would voluntarily pay them in the 21st Century because the central lie is "we know better" Neutral
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PostPosted: 06:09 - 19 Sep 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
You are the one that assumes that I have a hatred of the old.

I don't, what I'm doing is acknowledging that society is getting older and as a result more resourses need to be directed to their care.

I also acknowledge that those resourses have to be paid for.

What precisely should be taxed to pay for that?

You do a good job of refusing to answer that question.


I don't think it has to be put up. I think a total revamp of how the tax payers money is used in the public sector needs to be addressed but it will never happen because too many people have fingers in the pie. Personally I would go with a universal wage but make that it, no other benefits. Shut down all the social security crap, the whole benefits system and get rid of the myriads of public sector workers that are working in the system.

However that's never going to happen, it's too radical. So put a couple of pence on income tax or VAT but labour have ruled that out in the manifesto, although I can see it happening further down the line to pay for their masters, the unions, pay claims.
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PostPosted: 07:54 - 19 Sep 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Germanys health system is a mix of public and private financing and still free at point of care. Imagine the howls if so=meone in power suggested having private companies involved.


Private companies are involved and have been heavily involved since Covid.

There are at least two private Pathology companies doing NHS work in the South East. The Circle and Spire Private Healthcare groups are also doing NHS work and have been doing it since Covid to try and sort the back log of work.

Estate costs are one of the biggest costs to the NHS. Costs are 24hrs a day, 7 days a week and yet many departments only work 8 hour days, 5 days a week.
Some trusts have started extended hours and days for things like MRI scans, X-rays but getting people to work unsocial hours is difficult.
Its also at this point you discover your scanners and analysers are only rated for 8 hour days, 5 days a week and require extra servicing which is outside of your service plan.

Moving planned scans and surgeries, hip replacements, etc. from local in town hospitals to regional hubs would likely also save considerable amounts of money but people like to be dealt with locally which increases the estate costs.
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PostPosted: 07:56 - 19 Sep 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trying to do outpatient stuff in unsocial hours is also difficult because patients dont want to attend at those times.
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PostPosted: 08:06 - 19 Sep 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Trying to do outpatient stuff in unsocial hours is also difficult because patients dont want to attend at those times.


Some patients don't, some do.
Many people have to use holiday leave time to visit their GP or Dentist. Being able to access services when they're not at work that consequently lowers costs is a win for everyone. Everyone is different.
We are no longer a 9-5 society, healthcare needs to follow this.

The last MRI I had at the Royal London about 16 years ago was on a Saturday. It was being done then to cut waiting lists.
The staff were overwhelmed with patients preferring a Saturday appointment rather than a weekday one. The staff who did my scan said that if they were open 8am to midnight, Saturday and Sunday they would have less failures to attend and could easily fill the time slots. The problem was getting staff to work these times.

As to using regional hubs, one very Central London hospital is sending patients to Finchley Memorial in North London for MRI's. This means they have cut the wait time down to 3 weeks when other areas outside London such as South Wales you can be looking at 2 years for an MRI. Finchley also has free parking to add to the convenience.
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PostPosted: 08:31 - 19 Sep 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's one in Peasedown St. John, private hospital that primarily does NHS work and has been for at least the last decade.
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PostPosted: 09:38 - 19 Sep 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
There's one in Peasedown St. John, private hospital that primarily does NHS work and has been for at least the last decade.


Not sure if it still does. Used to be BMI Bath but was sold when Circle took over.
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PostPosted: 09:43 - 19 Sep 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was doing NHS work when Circle ran it, I know people who were working there. Think it started bback when Labour were last in power and were getting waiting lists down.
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PostPosted: 16:38 - 19 Sep 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The greatest con in history: taxes - any taxes - are a moral good. No one Hardly anyone would voluntarily pay them in the 21st Century because the central lie is "we know better" Neutral


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PostPosted: 12:23 - 20 Sep 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Are you still happy to hand over your inheritance?


IMO fairer to tax unearned money than earned...
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PostPosted: 14:21 - 20 Sep 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diggs wrote:
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Are you still happy to hand over your inheritance?


IMO fairer to tax unearned money than earned...


It's already been taxed
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PostPosted: 14:50 - 20 Sep 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still back to 'shit has to be paid for, what would you like to be taxed to pay for it?''
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PostPosted: 17:06 - 20 Sep 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Increasing tax isn't the only answer.

Wouldn't increasing efficiency and spending less on shit have the same end result without increasing taxation?
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PostPosted: 17:52 - 20 Sep 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yess it would. Paying prrivate companies to do the service instead is not the way to make savings.

For example, there is a vast range of services that government departments can reclaim VAT on so that paying a private company to do something rather than doing it in house with employees which dont attract VAT is on a 'level playing field.'

Level playing field my fucking arse.
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PostPosted: 18:06 - 20 Sep 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Things like that do have a tendency to happen when spending other peoples money.

Throwing more of other peoples money at the problem isn't going to fix the inefficiencies which are one of the reasons public services are in such a mess.
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