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Red Rocket



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PostPosted: 19:10 - 29 May 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
My first proper job was configuring switches for M&S, they didn't take security seriously then, you could simply plug into a port and be on their network, zero security, full intersite, just wild.

I imagine they have tightened it since 2010 but jeez they couldn't care then Laughing
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Robby
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PostPosted: 08:01 - 30 May 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
P. wrote:
My first proper job was configuring switches for M&S, they didn't take security seriously then, you could simply plug into a port and be on their network, zero security, full intersite, just wild.

I imagine they have tightened it since 2010 but jeez they couldn't care then Laughing


I wouldn't be at all surprised if some of that is still there. Maybe with some fig-leaf VLANs layered on top, but with a whole load of people able to access everything as if they have a big flat network. Geoff refuses to change his ways of working, and it's easier to add him into a bunch of security groups.

Buying or building new stuff with pretty good security is easy. Adding security to existing systems/networks without breaking anything or upsetting anyone is difficult. Even more difficult when sorting out security on the corporate network costs as much as a brand new website, and a brand new website makes money.

The recent spate of attacks may be a wake-up call. Whilst I agree with the sentiment of blaming the attackers and not the victims - that mindset is what allows victims to be public about getting attacked - the victims are still somewhat to be blamed. If I park my bike in a Croydon car park and go off to the arcade for 5 hours, it's somewhat my fault if my bike isn't there when I come back.

I have heard anecdotally of at least one big tech company that is equally chaotic behind the scenes. A sprawling network with poor overall security is not limited to UK retail companies.
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Red Rocket



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PostPosted: 10:12 - 31 May 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
Robby wrote:
Adding security to existing systems/networks without breaking anything or upsetting anyone is difficult.


Thats a definite 100% fact, we went full hardcore at one point and it was a faff for most people that didn't know where they were accessing and shit broke.
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