Fingerprints 'make clubs safer'

[Mister James]

I wouldn't be hugely concerned if I thought the system would work properly, but as some have already pointed out, there are a few flaws that would probably mean the negative impact on innocent pub-goers would probably outweigh any good it might do.

I'd be a lot happier if they were installing such systems where they are needed most, like airports. We'd slice our illegal immigration in half if airports actually had a fingerprint check in to get into the country.
We have a system at work where we fingerprint every detainee and visitor who comes in the gates. It's then used for positive ID when discharging the detainee, or for checking it's visitors we are letting 'escape' from the visits hall.

Immigration take fingerprints off people when they process them, but there is no joined-up system to check that database against people coming in on flights with different passports/fake documents.

It wouldn't be a threat to anyone's human rights, because if you haven't previously been detained as an illegal immigrant, your prints won't be on the system, and will return a negative result. No record is kept of prints checked against the system - no HR infringement for genuine visitors and citizens.
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[0ni]

Having been turned away from the main door of a club before because I had supposedly been turned away before, bollocks I was there straight from the pub, it would probably help bouncers identify folk that are regulars vs trouble makers. In glasgow there are a few 2000+ capacity clubs and it would be impossible to get rid of all the arseholes without technology like this.

Nothing to hide.
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[Kickstart]

Hi

Not sure what they could check against. Suspect that the police could not legally validate the finger prints against their records. The group of clubs are going to be pretty limited on what they can do. They cannot force someone to give a print after they kick off so would (at most) just be recording punters pictures as they took their prints going into the club and then hoping that they can ID the right one when they throw them out.

That is unless they just say "sorry, you're not coming in as you were one of 500 people here last week when there was a fight" .

All the best

Keith
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[Adam.I]

It's a good idea put doubt think people will like it. Prevention is better than cure.
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[killa]

Prevention would be bouncers with knifes….
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[steveh]

or guns and tazers, i certainly wouldnt give shit to a man with a cattle prod, again..


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[Kickstart]

[colin1]

A friend of mine was injured by bouncers a few years ago when they ejected him from a pub convinced he was a drug dealer. He did not have any drugs on him but they reckoned he looked like some guy they knew had been dealing in their club.

Under the fingerprint system, he would then not be allowed into other places on the basis of unproven nonsense.

Ironically, he now works as a policeman and part of his work invovles investgating and getting evidence against drug dealers.
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[Irezumi aka Reuben]

Interesting thought, what happen's to people like me.

I rarely go to pub's and club's as it is, this will make me stop going full stop. I will not have an ID card, I'd prefer to be imprisoned first. If I do not conform to these what would happen in term's of getting credit card's, getting a mortgage, getting a job even.

I realise this is a far fetched scenario, but this over control could force many people to 'dissapear'.

Bit of a sci-fi fantasy situation but it is a possiblity should all these 'preventative' measures go through.
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You will be imprisoned, probably .

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[Jman]

taking people's fingerprints in order to allow to have a drink is stupid! its not going to have any effect because alcohol is involved, and lets not mess about, when your wasted you don't really care too much and if you're going to do something you're going to do it.....

theres no need. ban the trouble makers, take their photo and stick it on a wall of shame or something. theres no need to take fingerprints.

[steveh]

just had a thought... i wouldnt get in anywere... as i have no finger prints..... as i have no finger end......


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