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Interestingly Israeli troops were beaten back when they tried to after the kidnappers originally. And an attack on the former Shaked base miscarried badly - they assumed that Hizbollah would be nice enough not to change the layout and confuse them. I think the perception of Israel military prowess is rather overblown. They simply spend 100x more than their neighbours.
It should be noted that the Israel armies in '48 outnumbered the Arab armies that attacked them. And the Arabs did take Gaza and the West Bank. The '56 war was not really an Arab-Israeli war as Egypt confined its efforts to resisting the Anglo-French attack and barely resisted against Israel. The British and French started that war drawing in Israel for obviously reasons. The Six Day War of '67 was an Israeli sneak attack, though Nasser was reportedly hinting that not things would happen to Jews caught once his massed armies attacked and presumably won. The Yom Kippur war was the one properly planned Arab attack and it nearly succeeded.
Simply on the basis on paying back a cruel Israeli invasion in 1982 and what the many things that followed (Sabra and Shatilla, effectively restarting a civil war that had largely died down, Qana, etc.), Hizbollah could claim (somewhat spurious) justification. Israel holds 1000s of Lebanese and other Arabs, usually without charge. There is occupation of the West Bank. Gaza has being embargoed since Israel withdrew. While not occupied, it is effectively a prison camp. And Israel attacks Lebanon periodically. Moreover, Iran surely wants bang for its buck. No one gives advanced weapons systems for free.
This might be too long of a post, but I see this as Israel hoping no one will call its bluff. Hizbollah has the better hand, and knows it. It will probably have most of its ground capacity after this, while Israel will be even more discredited. |
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| Quote: | Brigitte Gabriel is a Lebanese journalist and lecturer, now living in the USA . She escaped Muslim persecution in her homeland.
Subject: Thank you Israel , from Lebanese Christians
"Thank you Israel "
By Brigitte Gabriel
For the millions of Christian Lebanese, driven out of our
homeland, "Thank you Israel," is the sentiment echoing from
around the world. The Lebanese Foundation for Peace, an
international group of Lebanese Christians, made the
following statement in a press release to Israeli Prime
Minister Ehud Olmert concerning the latest Israeli attacks
against Hezbollah:
"We urge you to hit them hard and destroy their terror
infrastructure. It is not [only] Israel who is fed up with
this situation, but the majority of the silent Lebanese in
Lebanon who are fed up with Hezbollah and are powerless to
do anything out of fear of terror retaliation."
Their statement continues,
"On behalf of thousands of Lebanese, we ask you to open the
doors of Tel Aviv's Ben Gurion Airport to thousands of
volunteers in the Diaspora willing to bear arms and liberate
their homeland from [Islamic] fundamentalism. We ask you for
support, facilitation and logistics in order to win this
struggle and achieve together the same objectives: Peace and
Security for Lebanon and Israel and our future generations
to come."
The once dominant Lebanese Christians responsible for giving
the world "the Paris of the Middle East" as Lebanon used to
be known, have been killed, massacred, driven out of their
homes and scattered around the world as radical Islam
declared its holy war in the 70s and took hold of the
country. They voice an opinion that they and Israel have
learned from personal experience, which is now belatedly
being discovered by the rest of the world.
While the world protected the PLO withdrawing from Lebanon
in 1983 with Israel hot on their heals, another more
volatile and religiously idealistic organization was being
born: Hezbollah, "the Party of God," founded by Ayatollah
Khomeini and financed by Iran. It was Hezbollah who blew up
the U.S. Marine barracks in Lebanon in October,1983 killing
241 Americans and 67 French paratroopers that same day.
President Reagan ordered U.S. Multilateral Force units to
withdraw and closed the books on the marine massacre and US
involvement in Lebanon February 1984.
The civilized world, which erroneously vilified the
Christians and Israel back then and continues to vilify
Israel now, was not paying attention. While America and the
rest of the world were concerned about the Israeli / PLO
problem, terrorist regimes in Syria and Iran fanned Islamic
radicalism in Lebanon and around the world. Hezbollah's
Shiite extremists began multiplying like proverbial rabbits
out-producing moderate Sunnis and Christians. Twenty-five
years later they have produced enough people to vote
themselves into 24 seats in the Lebanese parliament. Since
the Israeli pull out in 2000, Lebanon has become a terrorist
base completely run and controlled by Syria with its puppet
Lebanese President Lahood and the Hezbollah "state within a
state."
The Lebanese army has less than 10,000 military troops.
Hezbollah has over 4,000 trained militia forces and there
are approximately 700 Iranian Revolutionary Guards in
Southern Lebanon and the Bekaa Valley. So why can't the army
do the job? Because the majority of Lebanese Muslims making
up the army will split and unite along religious lines with
the Islamic forces just like what happened in 1976 at the
start of the Lebanese civil war.
It all boils down to a war of Islamic Jihad ideology vs.
Judeo Christian Westernism. Muslims who are now the majority
of Lebanon's population, support Hezbollah because they are
part of the Islamic Ummah-the nation. This is the taboo
subject everyone is trying to avoid.
The latest attacks on Israel have been orchestrated by Iran
and Syria driven by two different interests. Syria considers
Lebanon a part of "greater" Syria . Young Syrian President
Assad and his Ba'athist military intelligence henchmen in
Damascus are using this latest eruption of violence to prove
to the Lebanese that they need the Syrian presence to
protect them from the Israeli aggression and to stabilize
the country. Iran is conveniently using its Lebanese puppet
army Hezbollah, to distract the attention of world leaders
meeting at the G-8 summit in St. Petersburg, from its
pursuit of nuclear weapons. Apocalyptic Iranian President
Ahmadinejad and the ruling Mullah clerics in Tehran want to
assert hegemony in the Islamic world under the banner of
Shia Mahdist madness. Ahmadinejad wants to seal his place as
top Jihadist for Allah by making good his promise to "wipe
Israel off the map.
No matter how much the west avoids facing the reality of
Islamic extremism of the Middle East, the west cannot hide
from the fact that the same Hamas and Hezbollah that Israel
is fighting over there, are of the same radical Islamic
ideology that has fomented carnage and death through
terrorism that America and the world are fighting. This is
the same Hezbollah that Iran is threatening to unleash in
America with suicide bomb attacks if America tries to stop
Iran from developing nuclear weapon. They have cells in over
10 cities in the United States. Hamas, has the largest
terrorist infrastructure on American soil. This is what
happens when you turn a blind eye to evil for decades,
hoping it will go away.
Sheik Nasrallah, the head of Hezbollah, is an Iranian agent.
He is not a free actor in this play. He has been involved in
terrorism for over 25 years. Iran with its Islamic vision
for a Shia Middle East now has its agents, troops and money
in Gaza in the Palestinian territories, Lebanon, Syria, and
Iraq. Behind this is this vision that drives the Iranian
President Ahmadinejad who believes he is Allah's "tool and
facilitator" bringing the end of the world as we know it and
the ushering in of the era of the Mahdi. He has a blind
messianic belief in the Shiite tradition of the 12th or
"hidden" Islamic savior who will emerge from a well in the
holy city of Qum in Iran after global chaos, catastrophes
and mass deaths and establish the era of Islamic Justice and
everlasting peace.
President Ahmadinejad has refused so far to respond to
proposals from the U.S. , EU, Russia and China on the UN
Security Council to cease Iran's relentless quest for
nuclear enrichment and weapons development program until
August 22nd. Why August 22nd? Because August 22nd, coincides
with the Islamic date of Rajab 28, the day the great Salah
El-Din conquered Jerusalem .
Ahmadinejad's extremists ideology in triggering Armageddon
gives great concerns to the intelligence community.
At this point the civilized world must unite in fighting the
same enemies plaguing Israel and the world with terrorism.
We need to stop analyzing the enemies' differences as
Sunni-Hamas or Shiite-Hezbollah, and start understanding
that their common bond in their fight against us is radical Islam.
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| Siggi wrote: | Israel shouldn't be there, it's an illegal state, period. Remove it and you'll remove the middle east problem. |
No, you'll make it worse. The problem with the Middle East is the growth of radical Islam. This came out of Saudi Arabia & Iran, from the generally repressed (by the Sunni minority) Shia majority. Basically Shia want to recreate the 'Caliphate' of the 12th century, across the Muslim world. As Muslims now are in every society, their view is the whole world should be a Caliphate and certain extremist groups want to achieve this goal. Their purpose suits (for now) the Governments of Syria and Iran, who have designs on controlling most of the Middle East, getting the message through religious ideology and supporting terrorists groups in Lebanon, The Occupied Territories, and Iraq. Assuming you had no Israel (which incidentally isn't an illegal state) then 'Palestine' would be an even worse battleground , with the Shia majority persecuting the Sunni's, Christians, Jews, Bahai's, Druze and all the other different groups that populate this region.
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