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Kickstart
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PostPosted: 21:53 - 27 Jul 2006    Post subject: Re: Red Cross ambulances hit by Israeli air strike Reply with quote

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since when has the Red Cross been in the Middle East? If you knew your facts, or the person who perpetrated this story then you'd know the Red Crescent operates in Lebanon, the Red Cross doesn't.


Err - https://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/html/lebanon-update-010506?opendocument .

Or for the local Red Cross - https://www.dm.net.lb/redcross/ .

So yes they are there. And from Wikipedia it looks like about 35% of the population of Lebanon is christian.

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PostPosted: 21:56 - 27 Jul 2006    Post subject: Re: Red Cross ambulances hit by Israeli air strike Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
headlamp wrote:
since when has the Red Cross been in the Middle East? If you knew your facts, or the person who perpetrated this story then you'd know the Red Crescent operates in Lebanon, the Red Cross doesn't.


Err - https://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/html/lebanon-update-010506?opendocument .

Or for the local Red Cross - https://www.dm.net.lb/redcross/ .

So yes they are there. And from Wikipedia it looks like about 35% of the population of Lebanon is christian.

All the best

Keith


I stand corrected Embarassed - but show me the photos of the ambulances destroyed....
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PostPosted: 21:59 - 27 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2006/07/24/coffins256.jpg

There's pictures of the dead if that is proof enough?

Taken from this site.
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PostPosted: 22:06 - 27 Jul 2006    Post subject: Re: Red Cross ambulances hit by Israeli air strike Reply with quote

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I stand corrected Embarassed - but show me the photos of the ambulances destroyed....


Not seen any. Nearest is this:-

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/middle_east_people_in_tyre_on_israeli_attacks/html/3.stm

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PostPosted: 22:17 - 27 Jul 2006    Post subject: Re: Red Cross ambulances hit by Israeli air strike Reply with quote

headlamp wrote:
I stand corrected Embarassed - but show me the photos of the ambulances destroyed....


More lax research. especially since it's been reported by FoxNews, The Guardian, The Australian, Jewish Telegraphic Agency, Associated Press, LA Times and more.

Why do so many people these day's lack the basic skill's to find information out for themselves? I thought senna was bad enough but I expected better head.

Associated Press photo
https://www.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2006/07/25/mn_mideast_lebanon.jpg
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PostPosted: 22:20 - 27 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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but I expected better head.


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PostPosted: 22:27 - 27 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow great marksmanship, getting the middle of the cross. Must be cracking fun flying a top of the range fighter Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 27 Jul 2006    Post subject: Re: Red Cross ambulances hit by Israeli air strike Reply with quote

zaknafien wrote:
headlamp wrote:
I stand corrected Embarassed - but show me the photos of the ambulances destroyed....


More lax research. especially since it's been reported by FoxNews, The Guardian, The Australian, Jewish Telegraphic Agency, Associated Press, LA Times and more.

Why do so many people these day's lack the basic skill's to find information out for themselves? I thought senna was bad enough but I expected better head.

Associated Press photo
https://www.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2006/07/25/mn_mideast_lebanon.jpg


Fair dues...admonishment accepted, but still not entirely convinced
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PostPosted: 00:53 - 28 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a bit pissed and definatley not an expert but if a missle made a hole that big wouldn't the ambulance be slighty more fucked and the roof be blown upwards????


people are always gonna fight, if they stopped fighting each other they'd be fighting us.
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PostPosted: 04:42 - 28 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

i dont think its fighting.

I think its one sided slaughter.
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PostPosted: 13:09 - 28 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

plugger147 wrote:
I'm a bit pissed and definatley not an expert but if a missle made a hole that big wouldn't the ambulance be slighty more fucked and the roof be blown upwards????


people are always gonna fight, if they stopped fighting each other they'd be fighting us.


well the multitude of holes could suggest straffing with guns ,

F-16s have a 20MM vulcan cannon , F15Es also have this, or it could be a cluster bomb , which strangely enough some people claim thats what Katusha rockets are.

also a point that ambulances have windows , hence the shock has somewhere to escape and blow out of.
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PostPosted: 15:57 - 28 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now I'm not one for getting involved in arguments, but on this issue I can't keep stum.

Having seen the murder and destruction of lebanon caused by the FILTHY, VILE ZIONIST SCUM occupying the middle east, something must be done.

And before I get labelled as an anti semite, well thats your fucking opinion. All I have to say is there is no difference whatsoever between Hittlers Germany and Israel.

If the fucking israeli scum could they would gas the Palestinian's and lebanese.

anyway before I get too carried away.................
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PostPosted: 18:04 - 28 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

plugger147 wrote:
I'm a bit pissed and definatley not an expert but if a missle made a hole that big wouldn't the ambulance be slighty more fucked and the roof be blown upwards????


Tend to agree. Depends exactly what it go hit by. Suspect armour piercing weapons might well go straight through a soft skinned vehicle like that before detonating.

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PostPosted: 18:22 - 28 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

The picture looks more like the damage that a law/milan/rpg/mortar would do. Note the shrapnel damage, and the distortion of the ambulances roof. If a missile were used, there is a heat/fire-ball reaction that would inturn push the roof upwards and outwards. The effects of a mortar round / anti-armour round are much different, shaped to penetrate vehicles, they would have gone straight through. The air around the round would have then caused a kind of vacuum effect, pulling the roof inwards.

For that reason, I doubt the credibility of the photo above.
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PostPosted: 18:28 - 28 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would have to be the worlds most sensitive contact detonator in order to detonate on impact with such a flimsy roof. And if that was the case, there would be barely little if anything left of the ambulance. It looks to me to be more reminiscent of a light-weight mortar/anti-armour weapon.
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PostPosted: 18:33 - 28 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's a specially modified ambulance for sexual deviants who've taken Viagra overdoses - patients who've taken too many pills can now lie on their back and travel in comfort all the way to A & E without the fear of contracting penile abrasions due to the low ceilings on such vehicles.

I've seen 'em being converted on 'Gimp my Ride'.
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PostPosted: 18:42 - 28 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve H wrote:
I've seen 'em being converted on 'Gimp my Ride'.


The post would have been funny if it weren't in this thread.
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PostPosted: 18:53 - 28 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevieh wrote:
anti-armour round are much different, shaped to penetrate vehicles, they would have gone straight through. The air around the round would have then caused a kind of vacuum effect, pulling the roof inwards.


Kind of looks like what has happened, although the hole is rather large. Roof is pulled inwards.

But then a close miss could easily have dumped a large lump of concrete onto the roof (explaining the shrapnell on one side), and that could easily have been removed afterwards.

On the other hand it could be the device has hit from towards the front, going through the roof and detonating at the rear (again, hence the concentration of shrapnell damage there), maybe detonating on the rear axle.

Does seem rather limited damage for an air lauched weapon (after all, if you have gone to to massive expense of flying in a, at best, not particularly accurate weapon then you may as well use a decent size warhead to maximise the damage).

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PostPosted: 19:33 - 28 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good point, although that would mean that they were targetting a fair size area.

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PostPosted: 19:48 - 28 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quite.

Hardly precision bombing

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PostPosted: 17:03 - 29 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Siggi wrote:
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It would have to be the worlds most sensitive contact detonator in order to detonate on impact with such a flimsy roof. And if that was the case, there would be barely little if anything left of the ambulance. It looks to me to be more reminiscent of a light-weight mortar/anti-armour weapon.


Do you have any battle-field experience? I do, and that was caused by a 30mm/40mm (more likely 30mm, there's not much damage) rocket with a contact detonator.


Yes, I was attatched to the Black Watch battle-group in 2003.
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PostPosted: 17:05 - 29 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

By the way, your confusing rocket-pods with Cluster Bombs. Unless, of course, you are talking about m200 that is in use with the US army, alas.. the isreali army are not currently using this. Note the large hole in the centre and the surronding shrapnel damage. If it was a contact detonator, the roof would have been at the very least, opened like a banana peel. The one larger hole is reminscent of a mortar / rocket-propelled anti-armour weapon.



Also.. 30mm rockets? I take your talking about PGM's.. im unaware of any such rockets. 30mm calibre anti-missle / armour cannon rounds Im aware of.


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PostPosted: 17:23 - 29 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

By being attatched to the black-watch battlegroup in 2003, i would have expected a military man to have known that black-watch were amongst the first to cross from kuwait into iraq.

Would you like me to spell it out?

Your regiment is/was?
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PostPosted: 17:33 - 29 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Assumption is the mother of all fuck-ups eh?

Yes I've seen combat, and have been in close proximity with anti-armour air-strikes. Which makes me believe that the damage is not anti-area, and if it was.. what a joke of a pilot.
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PostPosted: 17:37 - 29 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

militarised extreme-sports? Paintball or airsoft or something?
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