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PostPosted: 01:34 - 10 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It may be a pro-Israel site, but look up '6 day war', in google.
It WAS pre-emptive, as the arab nations were massing to attack.
You can be in denial about it all you want, but the 6 day war happened, and it was caused by the arabs.


ok so israeli troops massed on their borders, and arab troops massed on their borders, israel attacks first, but it was the arabs fault for wanting to have some kind of defence on their borders ?

how dare those naughty arabs put troops on their borders to try to protect themselves from the Israeli need for more land

ok the israeils call it pre emptive, but i could go out and twat someone and say he was gonna hit me so i got him first.

Any judge would send me down and you know it, because i just thought the other guy was gonna hit me. No way of knowing if he ever would have.

Bush used the same pre-emptive strike bullshit on Iraq, as if Iraq was somehow a threat, when Americas best buddy pakistan had been funding the taliban and selling missile technology to korea.

You need to be able to read through the headlines not take them literally.
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PostPosted: 12:34 - 10 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:
Didge wrote:
It may be a pro-Israel site, but look up '6 day war', in google.
It WAS pre-emptive, as the arab nations were massing to attack.
You can be in denial about it all you want, but the 6 day war happened, and it was caused by the arabs.


ok so israeli troops massed on their borders, and arab troops massed on their borders, israel attacks first, but it was the arabs fault for wanting to have some kind of defence on their borders ?

how dare those naughty arabs put troops on their borders to try to protect themselves from the Israeli need for more land

ok the israeils call it pre emptive, but i could go out and twat someone and say he was gonna hit me so i got him first.

Any judge would send me down and you know it, because i just thought the other guy was gonna hit me. No way of knowing if he ever would have.

Bush used the same pre-emptive strike bullshit on Iraq, as if Iraq was somehow a threat, when Americas best buddy pakistan had been funding the taliban and selling missile technology to korea.

You need to be able to read through the headlines not take them literally.


Like I said, you live in denial. Has the brain-washing in this countries education system been so effective, that people like you can't see reality, even if it jumps up and slaps you around the face?The Arabs were massing on the borders and making huge threats. It was pre-emptive on Israel’s part because of a genuine concern for it's own safety/existence.

Read in it's entirety:-


https://www.answers.com/topic/six-day-war
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PostPosted: 15:06 - 10 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:

You need to be able to read through the headlines not take them literally.


In other words, you simply decide what you think has happened, and re-interprete the words to suit your purposes.
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PostPosted: 15:31 - 10 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

not quite, but more like that than accepting everything on face value

bias is a subtle thing, and sometimes its worth standing back and trying to see the situation from another point of view. and seeing if there can be another interpretation that fits the facts.

if more than one interpretation fits the facts, there is more than one truth, and its not possible to determine which one is more valid.

I am reminded of the thing about blind men having to guess what animal they are touching. They are all near different body parts and so the one by the trunk thinks its a snake, etc.
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PostPosted: 15:46 - 10 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:
not quite, but more like that than accepting everything on face value

bias is a subtle thing, and sometimes its worth standing back and trying to see the situation from another point of view. and seeing if there can be another interpretation that fits the facts.

if more than one interpretation fits the facts, there is more than one truth, and its not possible to determine which one is more valid.

I am reminded of the thing about blind men having to guess what animal they are touching. They are all near different body parts and so the one by the trunk thinks its a snake, etc.


That's a round-a-bout way of saying "I'm a bleed heart liberal, who when faced with the truth, can't handle it, so I disguise my blinkered lefty view point by saying the above quoted bollocks".
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PostPosted: 19:04 - 10 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok, you are right, israel should be allowed to invade other countries, shell civilians, treat palestinians as second class citizens etc just because some bleeding heart liberals felt sorry for them because of the holocaust

oh the poor jews they have nowhere to go so lets allow them to take over palestine and run is as if it was there land and sod all the other people in the area who might get a bit pissed off

you are the one with misguided sympathies
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PostPosted: 19:28 - 10 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:
ok, you are right, israel should be allowed to invade other countries, shell civilians, treat palestinians as second class citizens etc just because some bleeding heart liberals felt sorry for them because of the holocaust

oh the poor jews they have nowhere to go so lets allow them to take over palestine and run is as if it was there land and sod all the other people in the area who might get a bit pissed off

you are the one with misguided sympathies


Not really sympathising with anyone, just pointed out the reason Israel held disputed terretories. i.e. the 6 day war and why it happened.
I admit I find it more than a little difficult to find sympathy for arabs who wish to destroy Israel, who, despite the rights and wrongs of how it was created all those years ago, does have a right to exist.
Also, it ain't Jews who blow up planes and commit acts of terror all over the globe in the name of some backward religion. It's the Muslims.
If the muslims possibly allowed themselves to move forward into a 21st century way of thinking, they would realize, that there are far more effective and humane ways to settle any dispute they may have with Israel. (Gandhi anyone?) But no, they prefer to fight 'God's' war, against the Jew and the infidel.
Until then......Fuck 'em!
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PostPosted: 01:16 - 12 Aug 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, as I learnt from my jewish friend, Zionism and Judaism are massive opposites. Hell, it even tells them that the creation of Israel will cause death and suffering.

I disagree, I don't think that Israel has a right to exist, and it never will in my mind, especially if you read about the atrocities that took place to actually found Israel. Some of it is really disheartening.

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But no, they prefer to fight 'God's' war, against the Jew and the infidel.


Hmm, not sure where you're coming from. Of course they're going to be pissed of with the Israelis, they have every right to, just as they have every right to be pissed of with the US for backing such a thing, and us for following like sheep.
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