Suicide - should we allow Huntly etc to kill themselves?

[Mister James]

Wise words Jonny.
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[Annabella]

Have you been speaking to the lads and lasses who work at Winson Green by any chance?


https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/5340850.stm

Apparently their actions are "highly disruptive". Whilst they are linked to pay, this is still relevant.
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[angryjonny]

[killa]

We think here in Britain a lot of things are really crazy now, they'll be banning the little cars infront of supermarkets soon because they thing kids cop too many G's on them.

Reverse this and we'd have a child rapist killed publicly, sick, maybe, but i've seen so much on the internet not a lot could phase me, if seen someone die, they didnt need to so Hutley dieing wouldnt affect anyone.
It would also make other Hutley type people think seriously about what they are thinking about doing.
Let them all know, fuck about like he did, you'll die, simple.

I don't want to watch this man die by the hands of the father or something, i'm not into that, my first reaction when i saw his stupid little face on the TV was, if i lived there, he'd have a nasty accident very soon.
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[Mister James]

[Annabella]

[Mister James]

I think a lot of the down-playing of the risks in the article is simply due to a lack of knowledge about the way prisons (and suicidal prisoners) operate.

The article suggests that 2 other prisons are looking at maybe joining in the action, and I seem to remember the Police threatening something very similar. Most people are unaware how much the emergency and law enforcement services rely on overtime and staff goodwill.

At my place we have anything up to 25 suicide watches open on a regular basis, often with several of them 'constant' or 15 minutes observations. That level of care is not only expensive from the point of view of manpower, it's exhausting and frustrating for the officers in question, especially as this type of detainee/prisoner tends to fall into the "extremely annoying or unpleasant" category. A lot of such duties can also involve an expectation that staff will go beyond their job description or training in order to make the system work - not something people are usually happy to do during a pay dispute!

Most prisons tend to run at a staffing deficit, so if there is a concerted campaign to refuse certain duties, it could really have an effect on the prison regime.

The pay deal that HMPS are complaining about is a 1.6% rise. While they are paid more than private sector workers like us, the cost of living has risen by at least 4.2% in the last year - which is what we are basing our pay negotiations on - so you can see why they are a bit hacked off!
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[king kong]

Interesting one this:

Frde West and the that Shipperley fella topped themselves in proson. The families of their victims, especially Shipperly, felt that they had cheated their sentence and had not suffered for their crimes in terms of accepting punishment nor showing any remorse for the crimes committed.

I think that the Americans have the right idea in that the offenders spend some 15 to years on death row not knowing when the execution date is exactly, the last few days and hours are horrendously traumatic in terms of, last minute pardons, last meals, vissts by relatives and the final reckoning in front of the victims families and 'guests'.

[Mister James]

[king kong]

Dr Harold Shipman, thats the guy.

[angryjonny]

[Whosthedaddy]

Murders like him should be made to suffer for every second of every day that they shall live.
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[Mister James]

How humane of you.

I repeat, who is going to be inflicting this suffering, and how will we regulate them?
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[killa]

[angryjonny]

[FreshAL]

Allowing these people to kill themselves is no better than capital punishment.

fwiw I think Huntley is guilty, but if we're talking about a general case here I think as a reasonable society we have to make reasonable efforts to stop people we've locked up hurting themselves.

If we have a flawless justice system, and will never convict an innocent person, then let's forget about allowing suicide, and have capital punishment. BUT MISTAKES WILL HAPPEN. If we're not prepared to risk executing an innocent person, we can't risk letting an innocent person kill themselves.

In Huntley's case, why does he want to kill himself? Is it guilt at what he did, or that his life inside is made intollerable by other prisoners? With the circus that the media makes of high-profile cases, it's perfectly possible that an innocent person can have their lives made unbearable ( e.g. David Kelly )

So if we accept the possibility that the justice system can make mistakes we must accept that we have to look after the people we incarcerate.

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[angryjonny]

[killa]

[Mister James]

[king kong]

So apparantly Huntley was writing his suicide note in his cell with the England v Andorra game on the TV!

Pardon me, TV in the cell, whatever next.

Cut off from society, total bollocks!

[Resurrection]

My personal thinking would be if he is sentenced to 40 years he should serve 40 years then be executed

No excuse for what he did



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